If you ever tried the infamous "Update and shut down" option in any Windows build, it often leads to a reboot instead to an actual shutdown. Now, Microsoft has finally fixed this issue starting with Windows 11 25H2 Build 26200.7019 (or 26100.7019 on 24H2). According to the Windows Latest, Microsoft has shipped this broken functionality way back with Windows 10, and has never fixed it since. However, the Windows teams working behind the update have finally managed to ship a working solution with a note stating in Windows 11 experiences that the new build: "Addressed underlying issue which can cause "Update and shutdown" to not actually shut down your PC after updating."

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[–] 81 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Great. Now can we have the option for a vertical task bar back?

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My first experience with kde was back in 2012 or so (plasma 4?) and at that moment it felt so advanced compared to win 7 or vista that going back to windows was painful.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I don't think I'm using any really fancy KDE features I just like that I can bodge together whatever I want it to look like... which is basically windows with re-orderable applications, shoving most things I have in the background into the system tray, and jerking off furiously that I don't have to touch my phone because of KDE connect, but I think you can install it on non KDE systems, since most of the apps that start with K in package managers has some KDE affiliation, but run on any linux system regardless of KDE Plasma graphical shell or any alternative like GNOME or MATE

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Just for the sake of the anecdote, I just discovered that in KDE Plasma, you can put a taskbar anywhere you like, including vertically, resize it, and even rotate it at an arbitrary angle! it's pretty much useless... but you can

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It baffles me how few people know that they can just replace the Explorer shell.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/shell-launcher/

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How about today's, random complete freeze. Had to hard reboot then spend 30 minutes watching it trying to "fix the issue". It then failed to find anything. So I had to force it to reboot to windows. Then it worked fine the rest of the day.

    While it was down, I was working on my 11 year old, budget laptop running Mint.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The other day my windows 11 computer booted and was unable to find the sound driver. I hadn't done anything to it, it just randomly decided it couldn't find the driver for some reason, after restart it was fine, but what the hell.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Maybe one day they’ll fix applications on the task bar not focusing when you click on them, don’t get confused here, these are applications already open and in the background but clicking the icon on the taskbar occasionally does nothing until you manually bring it to the foreground.

    Wild this is a billion dollar company.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Excellent. Sometimes I'd use the option for my work machine on a Friday only to find the fucking thing had rebooted instead.

    Let's see if it behaves when I do it in an hour or two.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    maybe next they can work on making shut down actually shut down too, instead of me coming back three hours later to the remainders of a poor attempt

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It might be your hardware. I just migrated from a Ryzen 5 laptop (with much better battery life than its Core i5 cousins in the office) to a new Core Ultra laptop and the difference in shutdown time is striking. Mostly because it actually shuts down all the spreadsheets and office BS I have open while the Ryzen one would hang. I normally don’t like Intel chips but this generation seems to be pretty good. Could be RAM too. Old laptop had 24GB, new one has 32GB.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good timing. The straw the broke the camel’s back before switching to Linux two months ago was watching my PC reboot after “update and shutdown” and saying “I shouldn’t have to deal with this!”

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For me it was not being able to keep a homebridge VM from crashing. Threw it on Debian and it hasn’t gone down once. Dual booting for now but I’m moving everything over. The final piece was seeing how fast Debian copies files. It’s instant most of the time. Made me realize that the “nice” speed dialog is literally just show and slowing down the functionality by quite a bit. What a pig.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    That's basically what pissed me off too, but instead I set up an MECM server to control updates.

    What finally made me switch is it bluescreened on boot after an update. Even a fresh install, as soon as I applied the latest update, it bluescreened every time again. No point in fighting that when Debian is right there and it Just Works.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can they fix the "randomly turn itself back on and drain the battery while in its bag so that it's always dead when you actually need to use it on the go" problem?

    Because that's been a problem for like 20 years at this point and means I have to treat my laptops as if they don't actually have batteries because it's schrodinger's power any time I pull one out to work.

    I was at a conference this week, and half the attendees were huddled in the cafeteria the whole time because there were some tables on one wall with outlets.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's probably because your computer has quick boot turned on which isn't actually fully shut off. More like a deep hibernate which can still receive magic packets that can turning it on for updates and such. If it's a work laptop it's almost certainly because your work has set up so it wakes up when they push an update. It's more of an issue with how your work has set up group policies. You can turn off magic packets in advanced network settings if you have admin access to your computer, which you may not if it's a company laptop.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Had a friend who used to put his super-workstation laptop in his backpack. It would randomly turn itself back on and get HOT in there at times, like firestarter hot.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yep. And since I carry 3 laptops in my backpack (2 for work and one personal), it's a problem.

    Though I will say the fact that all 3 can be powered by Type-C cables has been since huge life improvement since i don't need to carry around 3 different charging bricks.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    So, I settled on Nobara (Plasma desktop) almost week ago now. Besides my troubles with Wacom tablet (it happens with all distros I tried, no solution so far), it's all good. The OS isn't constantly nagging me about something. It doesn't lie about not restarting when I ask it to hold off -and consequently lose no work because of it. There is no random ad on the login screen. No web results sorted to appear first when I type to search for a local file or command. I can disable stuff I don't use, such as window animations, etc. No shovelware like one-fucking-drive or some LLM butler taking up room, ram, and mental health.

    All in all, I feel weirdly at peace when using this machine. It's just a tool that's succeeding in getting out of the way.

    The only downside is I can't use the Affinity suite, but besides that... perfect

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Right, so they wait until just after Windows 10 reaches EOL to release the patch for this annoying bug. Typical. They've probably had the solution ready for ages.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Wow Microsoft have actually introduced the one and only reason to update to Windows 11.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How convenient that windows 10 support is over. They probably had the fix and waited to ensure more people downgrade to 11

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    One reason why it's trash, tackled. A million more to go. Can't wait to see their progress in 2036

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Oh, this was a general issue? It was driving me crazy as I was certain I hit "shut down" instead of "reboot". I am soon getting a Linux laptop at work anyway (I've only been waiting about 5 montha for it now, so any day now!) - so I will hopefully not experience this fix.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    For now. In due time, they will have some regression much like how Windows always breaks down and makes me cry.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Too little too late. Shit like this would not fly in an open OS and is they were only able to do it that long, as they give a shot about customer demands. Fuck these proprietary software! Never again will i be held back by corpo software!

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "You participate in society yet you criticize it ☝️🤓" comment.

    Furthermore, what do two different mobile OS have to do with a desktop one?

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  • [+] -21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I thought that they were joking, as stuff like this also happens in open software and can take ages to fix (if it's even kept up to date for a lot of niche software), and most of us use SOME sort proprietary software even if there's a bigger % of open source enthusiasts on Lemmy.

    That's why the Android/iOS comment was even more out of place.

    But then again, this is Lemmy...it might have been literal...

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I wish I would have had that issue instead. What happened for me was that it would shut down like normal, but then I would get a BSOD on startup, have to restart the computer, reinstall the update, and manually choose restart again (it had to be from the startup menu, not from a windowed program) to actually get it installed.

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    Oh, I had thought it was me hitting the wrong button

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A couple years ago I had a windows update lead to an error message that says no device drivers found. Tried installing windows again, still says that shit. I downloaded all the available drivers. Strange how I had drivers and then suddenly not. Linux working good though.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Great. Now bring back Windows 7

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    What's "Windows" ?

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