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[–] 191 points 1 year ago (4 children)

She could have left out the middle paragraph, and this still would have been a mature, reasonable response without the praise.

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  • [–] [S] 87 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah. "We're sorry for his family that he's dead, regardless of who he was as a person, that's gotta suck for them." Totally fine.

    "And here this embodiment of literally everything wrong with America, directly responsible for the deaths of thousands, instrumental in weakening the norms of integrity and public interest for his own financial gain and helping in some small way to lay the foundation for our current debacle, a punchline of corruption and slaughter, infamous in the news and reviled in public life, he's got my vote though! You see I am not willing to deal in uncomfortable truths even when the public can see them unanimously" could have been omitted.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    To be fair, her wording is written very politically. You could say it of pretty much any top political figure -- good or bad -- and have it be true

    Cheney caused a lot of death and suffering. Sometimes it was through his actions as a leader, other times his incompetence with a gun. He was dedicated though, spent much of his life in politics

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  • [–] 167 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Jeez, democrats seem to really like Charlie Kirk and Dick Cheney.

    I wonder why they're having trouble with Muslim voters...

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  • [–] 148 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    But, but, but ... no matter the politics of their candidate clicking their heels and saying the magic words "vote us to stop the other guy" has always worked as their main electoral strategy.

    Obviously with such a magical and infallible electoral strategy, this election loss can only be explained by there being something wrong with the voters themselves as that strategy makes the quality and politics of the candidate be irrelevant!

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Allow me to modify an old saying:

    If you can't say something nice about someone , without lying, then you shouldn't say anything at all.

    You can't say anything nice about Dick Cheney without lying so just shut up.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The nice thing is that he can't do any more harm now.

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 1 year ago

    So Abe Lincoln was going to put Simon Cameron in his cabinet. Cameron was kind of a piece of shit, and so Thaddeus Stevens when he heard this got alarmed. When questioned about if he was really saying that Cameron would steal, Thaddeus Stevens thought for a minute and said, well, "I don't think he would steal a red-hot stove."

    So the story got around because it is funny. Abe Lincoln in particular thought it was one of the funniest things he ever heard (also while he made Cameron Secretary of War) and told many people. So eventually of course it got back to Cameron. Cameron was pissed, and angrily demanded that Stevens take back the slur on his character.

    So Thaddeus Stevens after Cameron had yelled at him said, "Well, he is very mad, and he made me promise to retract. I will now do so. I believe I told you he would not steal a red-hot stove. I now take that back."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Who says that's not her true opinion?

    She did very openly get close to the Cheney familiy during her presidential campaign, so she might very well think that according to her own values he had done nothing wrong.

    It seems to me that one of the core problems of the Democrat Party leadership which has led to their candidate being defeated once again by none other than Donald "Sex Offender" Trump, is exactly that their values are pretty much compatible with Cheney's.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    He was one of the few high-profile Republicans willing to stand by his condemnation of Trump after January 6th, even when the party came crawling back and that stance became a huge liability for him and his daughter. I can respect that.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not doing one out 1000 horrible things is not worthy of respect.

    In fact, opposing it fits Cheney's character because his entire evil persona was based on getting everyone else to do his evil bidding within the working government. Someone trying to overthrow a system he manipulated was a personal attack by Trump. Cheney didn't oppose it out of his love for America or anything, he opposed it because it undermined his life's work and he took it personally.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah. And Hitler liked his dog. Definitely peoples-is-peoples kind of things but if i was a global political figure i might err on the side of quiet for some sentiments.

    Trump’s gonna bite it one of these days and when he does, any self-conscious politician who hopes to win office with a progressive bent better watch their fuckin p’s and q’s.

    Democrats are mostly reasonable, and responsible, but as in the last forty years, there’s an opportunity to destroy fascists (like Cheney) and the more they ignore it the more they lose. It’s a fine line, to be sure, between “responsible tomorrow / better jobs” and “BLOOOOOOOD!!!”. But they need to have thought that through again because their consultants are old and broken.

    Justice and Politics need to sort their shit out yesterday.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hitler didn't actually like his dog. Or... it's complicated. He threatened to kill Blondi because someone else played with her, he would beat all his dogs or hit them with a riding whip when they were disobedient (he said "it was necessary"), and when he decided to kill himself with cyanide, he told the doctor to test the cyanide first on Blondi. She died.

    He did seem like he emotionally enjoyed being with his dogs, but he was too much of a psychopath to really have a normal human-to-dog relationship with them or to give them actual affection in return. The whole thing of him being a dog lover was mostly Nazi propaganda.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yeah okay well he was gakked to the gills for a few years there so yknow. But he killed himself . . . they say . . . right afterwards so i like to think he thought he was taking his dog with him. Although yeah a complete nutter and history’s greatest monster.

    (Recent history’s greatest monster? Ok nerds, I hear you shifting uncomfortably, wanting to tell everyone about Stalin, Pol Pot, Napoleon etc etc. Just relax. )

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  • [–] 119 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    She could've just not posted anything about his death

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Between her and Ezra Klein, I'm starting to think politicians and pundits who don't really stand for anything are afraid they'll be forgotten about if they don't chip in their two cents on anything and everything.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Centrist Democrats seem to have a compulsive need to virtue signal at every opportunity. They don’t have good policy so they have to prove their moral superiority, which might have worked a decade ago, but just makes them look spineless now.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

    Tbf she’s practicing what she preaches by saying something. Christian values would be to ‘love your neighbor and enemy’. Personally, I think she still truly believes in Biden’s of message bipartisanship being possible.

    As a person, she showed dignity and respect for someone that held views that were quite different from her own. A leader tries to build bridges rather than more walls.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That’s true but we have limits. Torture and War Criminal are over the line. Showing dignity and respect for Hitler should not be a tweet.

    She would have saved us from chaos and violence though.

    Those things are two different conversations.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I’d say it’s more about the people still around than the man himself. Each death can be a tragedy to someone, in this case it would be his immediate family, his friends, and the people in his community that like the Cheney the person, not necessarily the politician. Harris wanting to help with the pain those people are experiencing is a kind gesture to those people. Salt in the wound isn’t going to have any effect on Cheney, but it will on those still here that are experiencing pain from his passing.

    Personally, I don’t want to be like those on the Right. I would rather live a life where each person’s life has value innately. Those who’s lives were negatively impacted and abruptly ended by the man’s policies have not experienced justice either. I can only hope we learn to be more caring than those who came before us to end the cycle of greed and violence.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I don’t want to be like those on the Right.

    Then don't celebrate war criminals, genocide, etc.

    People on the right hate regular people for shitty reasons. That's not what's happening here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Where is the celebration?

    I said I don’t want to be like those on those the Right for their callousness.

    I’m not saying you can’t hate the guy, I just don’t think it’s worth nitpicking a person, who is a politician, showing kindness after someone has died.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah I’m sure all the people whos families died as a direct result of Cheney are glad American politicians are being so nice to him after he died to save his families feelings.

    It cost her absolutely nothing to just stay silent, friend.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This isn't building bridges though. No Republican is going to be moved or softened by this statement. It's going to actively alienate the people who are supposed to like you though. The best move is to simply say nothing at all.

    All this bullshit tells me is that those in power are still seeing this as nothing but business, like what we're going through is simply a contract negotiation. No hard feelings. That they can watch their colleagues cause the death and misery of thousands and then leave that at the door and go grab a drink with that person.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It may or may not be building some bridges, I can’t say you’re wrong because there is a lot of truth in what you are saying, unfortunately.

    The fact that politics is treated as a team sport by the Right, where this type of message of caring from Harris and other Democrats will just go to fade into the void, is part of the problem with the media and political sphere we have allowed to fester.

    I feel that social media has opened the door to too much open hostility to acts of kindness. Strategizing around a best move politically rather than having an open heart, even to people that may hate you.

    I think having an open heart means treating your interactions with others like it isn’t just business. I’m sure many politicians do have issues with the selfish and self-centered actions of one’s peers. I don’t think that necessarily reflects on the way people show kindness to one another when they experience a personal hardship or how they interact with their families. Maybe it’s Democrats trying to chip at the cold exterior with some of the Republicans; I personally don’t think politics will always be like they currently are where media plays up the divide.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I feel that social media has opened the door to too much open hostility to acts of kindness. Strategizing around a best move politically rather than having an open heart, even to people that may hate you.

    It was Harris' choice to post this publicly for people to react to. If it was simply about being kind then it could've been a private communication to the Cheney family directly.

    It was performative at its core and woefully out of touch as well.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    And people have agency for how they react as well. Being open about it can be seen as saying that it’s okay to show care for one another in times of personal tragedy. He was someone that Harris knew personally as well.

    I’d say it’s pushing against-the-grain rather than out of touch. There is so much need out to play sides about every aspect of life. Some things don’t need to be about scoring points.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    She's still playing that "let's meet in the middle" charade that didn't do shit for her during her campaign?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    "It's one big club, and you ain't in it." - G. Carlin

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    All you had to do was say nothing, Kamala.

    Why do liberals not realize that the right will NEVER vote for them no matter how much they pander, and everyone else hates them because they have no moral or ethical compass.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Sometimes, silence is best.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago*

    Just go back to the wine, Kamala, no one cares.

    Or uh, I dunno, prosecute some criminal ICE agents or something?

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    He was the most vocal supporter of the state engaging in torture. Firstly it's an evil thing to do. But even if you don't care about that, as an American the 8th amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, this is why they had to do it outside US soil. And if you don't love America or the rule of law either, then you should know that the experts agree it doesn't fucking help. Torture doesn't get you good information, it can be used as a population control technique, but it's a risky one that can really backfire, ask Ghaddafi.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    I was always taught never to say anything about the dead unless it’s good. He’s dead. Good!

    Moms Mabley

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    She’s totally going to make another run at it. Still playing both sides.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    nah, she's done. any bluster from her henceforth is just gonna be promotion for her books and speeches.

    i'm almost grateful that she ran in lieu of joe, because it finally exposed just how much of an empty shell the party has become.

    you can't fight oligarchy if your dick is in the sauce.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    She will definitely be in the primary, assuming there is one (I just doubt that establishment Dems would dare keep her out), but my hope is that she will get squashed pretty quickly.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    i don't think she'll do that, and i base my assumption solely upon the fact that she hasn't done a fucking notable thing since losing.

    Come to think of it, NOBODY is doing anything.. makes you wonder if the clowns really represent you.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    If you're saying "Kamala Harris y'all" in 2025 and this response surprises you, then you need to seriously get your shit sorted out. She made it plain who she was last year. It's why she didn't get elected.

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  • [+] [S] -23 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    She made it plain who she was last year. It’s why she didn’t get elected.

    Not really dude lol

    I mean yes it's accurate that if she had been Bernie Sanders or said popular things she would probably have won. But also, the exclusive and passionate focus on how much the left was officially ordered to hate her for a variety of reasons, and not pay any attention to what an objective catastrophe Trump would be in such a huge variety of ways, is pretty fuckin' significant.

    If your child decides to go high dive into an empty swimming pool instead of go to the museum, then sure, maybe the museum's not age appropriate or it features some colonialism. That could have made a difference. Yes. But, also, there are clearly more fundamental things that are wrong.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    the left was officially ordered to hate her

    Who ordered that? How was that order communicated?

    If the left is that easy to order around, why didn't the Democrats just order them to vote for her?

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  • [+] [S] -14 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    So here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about:

    If you had to pick one most damning issue that was the place where she made it plain who she was last year, that lost her support, what would it be? What do you think the biggest one was, if you had to pick one?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    How is that a perfect example? Are you going to answer my questions?

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  • [+] [S] -13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Happy to. You first though. If you had to pick the biggest most damning issue where she made it plain who she was, what would it be?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The other commenter asked first.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Happy to. You first though

    Doesn't really look like you were happy to when you refused to do it.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I really would be happy to. I need them to answer my question first, though, in order to make the point that I want to make. Instead they evaporated, which means I don't owe them continuation of the conversation with the blank void they've left in their absence.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you’re happy to answer, then simply answer. You don’t need the conversation to proceed entirely on your terms - you want it to. You could easily respond to their questions first and then pose your own to make your point. Your point may even carry more weight if they refuse to answer after you’ve just done so.

    Their choice not to address your question immediately after you declined to answer theirs isn’t unreasonable. Answering their question wouldn’t have prevented you from making your point; if it did, then perhaps it wasn’t a particularly strong point to begin with.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You don’t need the conversation to proceed entirely on your terms - you want it to.

    I'm not the one who dipped from it as soon as I got something that wasn't entirely on my terms.

    I'm done talking about this lol

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  • I'd say her attitude towards the Palestinian protesters at her rally in Detroit was the last straw for me. It was a misstep that may have been due to pressures of running a rushed campaign and the stress of detractors at every stop, but to carry on and at no point express common goals with the protesters showed her hand well enough for me.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “Harris supports genocide so you shouldn’t vote” was like shooting fish in a barrel. That it folded perfectly into russia’s goals for the election is pure coincidence.

    If the left is that easy to order around, why didn't the Democrats just order them to vote for her?

    Democrats suck at messaging. See Democratic consultants for more information.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Did Russia ask Kamala to support genocide?

    Just waving every failure in US politics as a Russian master-stroke plot is really getting old. You have the largest surveillance tech in the whole wide world, show proof or GTFO with your conspiracies.

    Obligatory Fuck Russia and Putin.

    Slava Ukraini!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    She has always been pretty shit. That much is indisputable.

    Voting for her was still the correct thing to do (and what I did), because the degree of Trump's fascism and corruption is much greater and more dangerous.

    But it's incredibly naive to think this behavior of hers is in any way new. It's exactly who she's always been.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago

    Go away Kamala

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
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    Ding dong the bastard is dead. He is probably responsible for more innocents dead than anyone else who has died this year.

    The fact that we have to play nice when AOTUS is wiping his ass with the constitution and othering Americans for funsies is pretty ridiculous.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    Stuff like this reminds me why they lose to fascists. When they like to say the proto-fascists are practicing politics correctly it really waters down their message and what is at stake.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Ok, it's not polite to pull a Donald (he would 100% write posts filled with joy if Biden dies before him), but silence it's an option...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sometimes less is more.

    I've learned of the passing of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

    Vice President Cheney was a public servant, from the halls of Congress to many positions of leadership in multiple presidential administrations.

    Doug and I are keeping Lynne, their daughters Liz and Mary, and the entire Cheney family in our thoughts during this time.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm more than okay with well wishes to his family but the dude was a demon and I'm glad he's dead

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    His family continue his path. His daughter Liz was running a US support covert operations to funnel money to group in foreign countries under the name of development.

    These people business and connections are built on the killing and murdering of innocent people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    To me, it's not about whether I like any of them and more the humanity in losing a father. I'm not demanding everyone mention them and say they're sorry, but I'm not mad when people do give condolences as long as they also say the kind of things graham platner said along with it

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And they wonder why they lost??

    Praising a monster with this bullshit does not speak compassion, it speaks weakness.

    It's funny how she unwittingly sealed her own fate, and she doesn't know it.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    "Kamala Harris y'all"

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