Archived copies of the article:

top 86 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 181 points 1 year ago (26 children)
  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Yep. But the people don’t learn. So I don’t give a shit unless there is civil unrest against that government.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 25 child comments
  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    That's what they want. If ICE gets violently repelled in any substantial way tiny d will declare martial law and suspend voting. Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.

    The People are doing an amazing job at resisting in ways that are both highly effective and don't give him an excuse to tear down the constitution, and they should be supported not condemned given the hand they were dealt.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 21 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.

    you are overestimating the reasoning skills and common sense of the average american voter. we'll be lucky to flip even one chamber by a razor-thin margin.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I guess reducing by ten percent is a start.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It would be naive to expect any more given how gerrymandered and entrenched red states are. 10% would flip both the House and Senate and effectively render the last 2 years of this presidency moot.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    That's putting a lot of faith in a system that has simply proven to be gutted, undermined, and rendered ineffective. The checks and balances are pretty much gone. Trump should have been in jail before the election. We're way beyond midterms having meaningful impacts. Maybe I'm overly pessimistic and I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm not seeing it.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They're going to do that anyways..

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Weakens his narrative and gives states more of a casus bellum to ignore or even toss out feds should the time come. Woo end of empire politics ain't it FUN. Why couldn't we have gone out like the Hittites at least then I could stab strange people coming from the sea.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Should the time come.

    I’m not angry at you but at this sentiment. When is the fucking time if not now?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh I ain't denying that it sucks ass, but there is a somewhat reasonable argument that can be made that just keeping what you can afloat and waiting for the feds to implode is the optimal strategy right now. It's kinda like how the regional nationalist movements just kinda waited for the Soviets to implode towards the end. Not fun by any means and I personally disagree, I think the states should be black bagging the fuckers and shutting off utilities to their facilities. But open revolt is still at least a couple months away, kinda depends how long this shutdown goes on for and how economic effects manifest.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The federal gov imploding (especially if Federal Reserve is under control) can be many decades away, even several internal coups away.

    Imo an open revolt in USA happens only when it becomes beyond clear the voting rights are taken over. And even then far from unanimous.

    Atm neither "side" is there yet - the gov doesn't have the infrastructure/environment to make a possible revolt manageable (hungry & overworked populous is a factor too), and the people don't have the resolve to accept where, how fast, how premeditated, and how successfully the gov is moving.

    (Oh, and a bunch of rich states seceding imho leads to immediate war. I don't really see a peacefully way of that happening regardless of the public view. The federal border & poor state subsidies would destabilise the whole gov.)

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    They can do that anyway, right?
    After that the people can then either do nothing, protest peacefully (as much as they can/are allowed), or riot.

    It's the same result anyway, the pipeline is being built step by step (ICE employment numbers, testing the military chain of command, media control, voting/legal stuff, ...).

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    ... Effective?

    How many ICE agents are in jail for their innumerable, constant violations of laws?

    How many of them have quit, or been otherwise disabled as members of a violent paramilitary force?

    How much has ICE's capacity to inflict further lawless terror been actually, practically diminished?

    The answer is None, to near none, basically not at all.

    What you describe as effective resistance is just effective virtue signalling, not making any material difference against a hostile invading force, who is only growing in number and continuously gaining access to more funding and resources.

    The elections are actively being rigged right now, MAGA bought the company that runs most of the voting machines.

    They'll either win the midterms via fuckery, or just cancel them, no matter how many people voice their concerns and displeasure.

    Also, they'll just do a false flag or massively trump up an actual event, to justify violence, if they are not met with actual violent resistance.

    They have in fact already been doing this, in many, many different instances, but the news cycle moves so fast that apparently few are cognizant of this.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    An American trying to explain how to properly dismantle a government. Another great example of “Oh we should play by the rules because then everything is going to be okay”. No. It wont. Get violent or they will kill you, one by one.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A non American bitching that other people aren't throwing their lives away while you sit behind a keyboard under no danger whatsoever

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You have no idea where I am coming from. And you do have no clue how we, as a society, show the government who is in charge at the end of the day. The only ones sitting behind keyboards are Muricans and definitely not Europeans or Asians, most likely because 40.3% of all people are too fat to even protest properly.

    Enjoy the fascist regime.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Americans are actually great at dismantling legitimate and illegitimate governments, and they can do it in a vast variety of ways. Most common they start supporting local gangs or terrorist groups to take control. Or directly bomb the country. Or send assassins. Or sanction the country. Or ...

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    It's really hard to comprehend from an outside perspective that returning to the state of affairs with all the people being killed annually by cops or imprisoned for trivial/made-up stuff is the much preferred choice to the current state.
    Just awful.

    And it's an still there, but now there is ICE too, foreign concentration camps multiplied/got outsourced, and military is being tested.

    In a country that wanted change, but got the opposite - just a lot more of the same(ish) problems. And they did that by voting.

    I'm not sure any legal mechanism (and there are a bunch afaik) can successfully inhibit the current administration to either just carry on or print ballots with only their names on it. Or just declare a winner without even counting the votes.

    A hungry nation fighting for food is in a bad position for a general strike.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago
    [–] 178 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Shot from behind by federal agents, seems the key missing element of that title.

  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you treat people as a group, they tend to lock together as a group. The police are already getting pissed off with ICE, in many places. That crack needs to be pryed open. Indifferent, pissed off police/FBI etc is a lot better than them standing in lockstep with ICE.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    It's worth noting, that the police issue in America is very solvable. Most of the Western world's police use a "police by consent" default. America's "police by overwhelming force" is the outlier. It leads to a lot of your issues over there. While they are far from perfect, the UK police are far better than America police.

    It's worth looking for the opportunity to reform the police in the process, not just hate on them (ineffectively).

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago

    Jimenez pulled up to three immigration officers, two from Border Patrol and another form ICE and “engaged in a verbal altercation,” it states.

    It doesn’t even get any better if you just accept their version of what happened. Six agents vs one guy in a “verbal altercation”, and they think it’s ok to just start blasting?

  • source
  • There are two very obvious peices that show the government side is lieing... 1 - a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, said ... 2 - Then the agent “holstered” his fire arm

    The main requirement to be a spokesperson for anything in this administration is to lie. And ICE has orders to escalate, not descalate.

  • source
  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Slow death.

    Most people don't know that there are short drop and long drop hangings. Long drops snap the neck instantly, and are considered humane. Short drops leave the victim, dangling, and slowly spinning and strangling.

    At the end of WWII, after the Allies detained Nazi officers, but before Nuremberg, many were given quick military trials and some were hanged. The preferred method was short drop hangings.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 120 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    This is really some russia level shit.

  • source
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • [–] 89 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Even in Russia, people are not being shot on the streets: detained, beaten up, etc - yes (I'm not saying this is good of course), but not shot. The US quickly took the lead in some of the dystopian stuff.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    russia, putin banned gun ownership, he doesnt want a violent uprising of his own. its only matter of time before trump does it. also most of trumps administration are hiding like rats on military bases.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    It's not Putin who banned something, guns were historically harder to own in Russia, and USSR before.
    And gun ownership doesn't really help in the US right now. People sit with their guns being quiet.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Most civilized countries ban or severely limit gun ownership.
    As does Russia.
    The US has always been the outlier in that regard.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    right, here in Canada, you don't have the right to bear arms, but you can own a firearm for certain purposes. one of them is not killing others or for self-defense. You also need to take a course and have a psych eval. I know for one, i would fail because i have BPD.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    At this point, ICE is just a group of people who harass Latinos based on racist criteria. It doesn't even have to do with immigration.

    As a white person, I think of the German people who did nothing when Jewish people were gradually stripped of rights, before the eventual death camps, and I'm not actually sure of what to do. I also am not really convinced that there are no Latinos being sent to death camps right now. If there were, would I know somehow?

    My political views are somewhat moderate. I just don't like racism.

    Is there anything I can do that will have any meaningful impact on protecting Latinos from this racism? I do not consider protests to be meaningful and I am not asking for any suggestions that are illegal, especially since the government probably trolls these posts. I feel like I'm being a bad person by doing nothing.

  • source
  • hideshow 19 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    You could warn your area if you see ICE around on this website.

    Finding and getting involved in a local mutual aid group would be quite meaningful, as it would allow you to meet people who share your same concerns IRL, and be able to plan and organize for how to react in your area. It's very make a meaningful difference alone, finding a solid group is very important.

    Attempting to unionize your workplace if it isn't already would be very helpful to further prepare for a General Strike (as they usually have strike funds to make a general strike financially bearable), which is pretty much our last non-violent option to prevent all of this from progressing. You can see how a general strike helped cripple Chile's government while civil unrest was occurring in this documentary.

    I'd recommend contacting the IWW, who will gladly train you to become an organizer with proven techniques to unionize your workplace.

    Lastly, I'd also recommend checking out the book Full Spectrum Resistance for a more complete guide on how to prepare and respond.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    https://www.iceinmyarea.org/ wouldn't let me on the website because I'm using Tor Browser in safer mode and WebGL is blocked (Vercel Security Checkpoint Failed to verify your browser Code 11) and I'm not willing to go on a website like that without using Tor Browser. I really don't trust anything that doesn't trust Tor Browser.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They’ve been chipping away at Tor browser for a while now. It’s well known that it can be fingerprinted now. I think it was like last year or something where they made a change they lied about and got caught. Eventually enough people had it that someone finally tested the damn thing and demonstrated the flaw. The tor browser people said too bad we’re not changing it. It was something that was intentionally introduced to enable fingerprinting on tor. The network itself seems very good but tor browser itself, not so much

    I’m not saying to stop using tor, but you really should diversify your shit. Look into i2p, set up a reticulum node, get multiple options ready. The great danger of tor is that damn near everybody involved in darknet stuff is using it, which means it’s an incredibly appealing target for the feds who have demonstrated they are not to be trusted

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I just assume any and all communications are being monitored by the NSA, or somebody even more secretive. VPNs, browsers, etc. may fool the standard id confirmations and such, but they aren't evading the top spooks.

    If they want you, they'll get you, no matter what precautions you take.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Agreed but if they are going to run around playing nazi games, I’m gonna make them work for it.

    Of course, we are already at the point where they lie and just make shit up anyway so it’s mostly an intellectual exercise at this point.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    How certain are you Tor Browser can be fingerprinted and do you have any sources or information about that?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There’s been some drama over of GitHub about it that are dismissive about, and there’s some network security guy on YouTube that covered a few episodes worth of the ToR security drama. I’m at work and don’t have time to look it up right now. If you can’t find it, hit me up again later. It’s somewhere in my history.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It wouldn't let me there either. Not sure it's my VPN or my browser, but I figured most people aren't going to have as intense of a privacy set-up as we do. I also don't know of an alternative to that site now that the ICE Block app was removed from stores.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Supposedly that’s already happening. Many of the people that were sent to alligator Alcatraz were never seen again. They weren’t traceable. And yet neighboring countries are reportedly finding bodies washing up on their shores. The running theory is that the US has been flying them out into the ocean, dropping them in there to drown to disappear them. It’s horribly evil, and yet it’s plausible.

    We’re almost to the end of the end of the poem. I fully expect to hear “and then they came for me“ any day now

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Have you got sources on the bodies thing? I'm going to look for myself now but just curious where this is reported because I haven't seen anything

    FoundNYT article but it's more about people America is killing in boat strikes

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/world/americas/trinidad-bodies-us-strike-venezuela.html

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Admittedly I hadn’t looked too deeply into it. My sister was talking to me about it and she’s generally more level-headed than I am. Under normal circumstances I’d dismiss it as rumor but looking around my country lately, it’s actually quite possible.

    That’s why I said it was plausible. I’m not certain, but I fear it’s likely true.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It wouldn't surprise me if it were true. There's no transparency with where people are going, right? Some person (whose name we don't know) gets picked up, we have no idea who they are in the system, they end up who knows where. How would anyone even know if they were dropped into the ocean?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Get trained by a local rapid response team. You can't directly interfere, but by enabling people to exercise their legal rights, you can prevent a significant fraction of snatch and grabs and significantly slow ICE & CBP.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Do local response teams have use for people with extremely limited Spanish? I'll try to find out. It's a good idea.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I liked the part where the victem is named but none of the ICE agents are identified. "Officer N.J." is all they say.

  • source
  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    This comment section is full of fedposting.

  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fr, people need to stop treating the internet as equivalent to IRL discussions. Like literally every comment is "shoot your local cop", I mean like, I'm not saying that I disagree with the sentiment, but like... seriously lol? How is suicide by cop gonna change anything?

    Just as with computers, your brain also needs a "firewall".

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Real talk. People like to pretend they are the boogie man the right is trying to create. But outside of the superhero frog, most of us are just regular people.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People trying to get you to do or say something which could earn you a visit from the police. Open calls for violence or to break the law in some specific manner. E.g. "shoot your local ICE agent".

    I'm not going to say that violence is never justified, but anyone loudly advocating it in leftist spaces online should be viewed with a very suspect eye. The online is very real and your posts here very much can be connected to your identity.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dress up as maga while you slash their tires, throw paint over their cars... letsgooooo bully trump and nazi's out

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Don't dress as MAGA, they won't believe it anyway. They already blame Jan 6 on ANTIFA. We need to take full, proud credit for our efforts. We need the world to know who is fighting back.

    At their core, Conservatives are cowards, afraid of EVERYTHING - Liberals, gays, minorites, foreigners, other religions, women, women's genitalia, intelligenc, education, , morality, etc. That's why they will vote for anyone who will promise to protect them from their perceived enemies, no matter how corrupt they are.

    So the best way to manipulate them is to tap into their fear. Right now they've been taught to hate us by the Conservative Propaganda Machine. We need to make them FEAR us to their core. That way, when we recover our country, we can terrorize them into slithering back under their slimy rocks, where scum like them belongs.

    And if they ever dare to poke their heads out from under that rock, we aren't understanding, or empathetic, or want to show the good faith, or hear them out, or give them a second chance, etc. They literally embody the world's evil, and when they try to rise again, we will have to crush them mercilessly.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›
    3 comments in c/acab view that post