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[–] 190 points 1 year ago (17 children)

GPUs are still overpriced too

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  • [–] 133 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Because the fuckers realised they can just keep them priced like this and people will still buy them

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They literally don’t care if people buy them or not. Overwhelmingly profit is in the server and enterprise areas now.

    Some people will still buy at those high prices and they are more than happy to stick with that small slice.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Another reason to look forward to the AI bubble popping.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Exactly. Whatever they sell at those prices is good. They just don't care about people who cannot shell out thousands for a gpu.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The relationship between supply, demand, and price has been fundamentally damaged.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It always has been. It's just worse now. The haves have always had all the power in a "free market" system.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why doesn't a 4090 cost $1,000,000?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You don't get to be worth 5 trillion dollars by giving out discounts...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Quite the contrary! They effectively sell their cards at a ~20% discount to a bunch of AI companies by "investing" in the companies for a promise to use that money to buy their cards.

    It's as dumb as it sounds and textbook unsustainable economic bubble behavior, but NVidia don't care because more sales = more stonks = more money to "invest" = more sales = more stonks = more yachts for Jensen. So what if it makes 1929 look like a walk in the park, it's not their problem.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I saw a random AI video where guy said to use this model you need 39gb of vram. Like wtf are these ppl running at home?

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    39 GB is very small, DeepSeek R1 without quantization at full context size needs almost a full TB of RAM/VRAM.

    The large models are absolutely massive and you will still find some crazy homelabber that does it at home.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I put (regular RAM) 64gb on my home pc, because that was the max my board would take. My old Mac Pro, 96gb because it was the most it could run at max speed, total could have been 128. Both only for 8gb gfx cards. Both because, I might want to open 400 tabs on a browser or something, maybe casual gaming, lol

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    They're talking about VRAM in a GPU, not motherboard RAM.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mac has unified RAM. It can use the system RAM as vRAM. The AI line of AMD processors can kind of due that too. Granted these aren't as fast as dedicated GPUs, but they're the most affordable way to get huge amounts of vRAM.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Are there any apple chips that use unified memory thats external? I’m like 99% sure chips with unified memory have it integrated on-die with no option for expansion.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The meme differentiates between shortage of GPUs and shortage of memory, so I thought it was about mobo ram, but I get that the comment I replied to mentioned vram.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    vram in the context of an igpu like an apple chip or strix halo is the same thing as system ram. its shared memory

    its why strix halo and apple m4 chips are popular with users running local ai models, because those will cost you 2-4000$ for 128 gb ram, while the closest nvidia alternative is the RTX 6000 blackwell with 96gb vram costing 2-4x more.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hopefully motivates game developers to optimize their softwHAHAHA oh gods I can't say that with a straight face

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It is rather expensive for high end hardware these days. Might get brotato, low requirements and local coop. Just got a couple of controllers so looking for good local coop games, especially good if they are cheap indie games.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’m old enough to remember the hard drive shortages.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Meanwhile, I'm having a blast on retro and 2D indie games that play just fine on my secondhand $200 Thinkpad with integrated graphics.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Crypto bros and AI bros are the same people. They moved from one scam to another

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Crypto is still close to all time highs

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not all cryptos are scams, just like how not all AI are useless

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Jokes on you, I'm upgrading my IBM x31. No one in their right mind wants DDR pc2100 ram.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And there was the HDD shortage, the CPU shortage, and I’m sure we’ll see some variant repeat of any of them again.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is there a place I can sell my old ram sticks that are perfectly fine? I just upgraded.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Someone is too young or forgot the 2016 DRAM price fixing by Samsung, Hynix, and Micron, causing prices to skyrocket. Prices doubled or even tripled until 2018.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I paid a new 4TB seagate 99€ in 2022, now it's 139€.

    Prices used to go down 😐

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you're on Windows, the new O&O ShutUp gives you the option to delete Copilot.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The one downvote is Microsoft

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Could be.

    I have a fan that auto-downvotes all my posts. I'm not sure who it is, but probably someone on my block list.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lmao that's the best name for him

    #1 fan

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    And tariffs!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I'm so thankful that I didn't buy into the 3000 series hype and just bought a 2060 Super the moment one became available at MSRP after the 3000s launched. Everyone said it was a waste paying that price for less performance, but I had a card and they still didn't 4 months later.

    I'd say that the way around the shortages is to just not go for the latest and greatest new hardware, but that's not really helpful for GPUs anymore anyway. Even the desirable last gen cards are still going for scalper prices.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The 3090 is currently the best price/performance for AI.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If I build a rig with a 3090 running Debian will stuff like ollama be able to take advantage of it? Thinking up building a new system for my containers and getting into that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    3000 series is fantastic, however it was during Covid so prices were way out of whack. I somehow lucked out and got a 3080 for msrp and it is still doing great in 1440 max settings for most games at +144fps . I did have to go to mid settings on BF6 to keep it at 144mhz, but still haven't needed to turn frame gen on.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Bought 2x16gb ddr5 crucial from Amazon for 89,99 at the start of October, they are now selling for 141,99 last i checked, also older CPUs seem to be bought and resold for 50-100€ more, scalping should be punishable so they stop doing this BS, but i guess as long big companies get their money who cares...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    People are still mining with GPUs? I'm kinda surprised that's still profitable

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Was looking at upgrading to am5 but wow ddr5 is so expensive and thanks to ai I doubt that's going to change any time soon.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Since, I mostly play relatively older games, I will stick to my ROG Ally X with Bazzite OS.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    God, the "PC master race" hype is just pathetic now. Spend your life savings so you can play a 10 year old console port that runs like dogshit.

    At least you have Steam sales so you can buy games that you won't play.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Careful. You’ll upset them in the middle of their lies about how cheap a PC is to build.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think these days the PC value argument is a lot more about longevity and versatility than price.

    Like in my case, I want to have an old fashioned LAN gaming setup in my house. I've already managed to find four PCs stored away, and they are all going to work great. Three are already set up and have linux installed and everything. So they cost a decent amount in their day, but now they're kind of just free extras.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've been with my wife for around 10 years now. When we started dating she had a PC that wasn't exactly top of the line, and it was already a couple years old, but was still pretty beefy for its time. She did a couple upgrades over the years, more RAM, SSD, etc. but most of the components were the same ones she originally bought probably around 2013-ish

    About a year ago she decided it was time for a major upgrade and built a whole new computer.

    I took all of her old components and stuck them in a new case. I of course had to buy a hard drive, power supply, some fans, etc. and it wasn't maxing out the graphics on the latest AAA games like her new rig can, but it still managed to run pretty much everything I threw at it.

    After a couple months I did scrounge up a newer graphics card from a friend doing some upgrades of his own, which was a nice upgrade, but not totally necessary.

    I am now running into an issue with some newer games not liking the old processor even though it technically has the required specs (and it's not windows 11 compatible) so I'm likely going to be doing some major overhauls of my own soon, and I think I'll probably recycle these components into a home server or something, so I wouldn't really be surprised if this PC of theseus remains in service in some capacity for a full 20+ years.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ok bear with me here but we're on Lemmy so I think I get in trouble if I don't ask this...

    Have ya tried Linux on the old machines? If not, you can make a bootable USB of Linux Mint and play around with it without changing anything on your system. The UI is laid out like Windows.

    Nothing makes an old machine sing like installing Linux!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And as luck would have it, I actually was just talking to another friend about this and he turned up a gnome extension that looks like it does exactly what I need, so it may become a Linux machine yet.

    I do still want to do some upgrades and I kind of got to like the server idea though so perhaps I'll be building a new Linux PC and also recycling the old parts into a server

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Like a lot of people I have one or two things keeping me tied to windows for now

    The main one for me is a little goofy, but my computer is hooked up to my TV and it's synced up to my Philips hue lights.

    My other consoles and such work fine through the hue sync box but for some reason the PC does not, so I have to rely on the hue desktop app to get the PC synced to the lights

    And of course they don't support Linux, and from what I've seen online WINE and the other usual workarounds don't do the trick either

    There's a couple of people out there who have cobbled together alternatives, but none of them are quite where I want them to be yet.

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