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[+] 104 points 1 year ago (19 children)
  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And then the Trump will invade Iran to open it citing it must remain open.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    They may try.

    There would be more than just the US and Israel bombing them if that happened, you just don't fuck with international trade.

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  • [+] 33 points 1 year ago (10 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Who's going to back up Iran though? Maybe the houthis, but they barely count.

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  • [+] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I expect China wouldn't be happy about the Straight of Hormus being closed though.

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  • [–] 200 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    "NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE," posts the man who just led us into war.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I read a post that said he couldn’t go to war without a vote from congress, was that wrong?

    Edit: I’m not a US citizen so I’m not sure

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The constitution gives Congress the exclusive power to formally declare war.

    That said, Congress hasn't declared war since 1942, yet we've obviously taken part in many wars since then.

    Sadly there just hasn't been enough Congressional support to retaliate against a president for jumping to military action without authorization. And it doesn't help that the average American doesn't know that the president is not allowed to just deploy troops at will (in most cases, Iran included).

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  • It's more complicated than it should be, only Congress can declare we are at war, however over the past 200 years they have passed laws allowing the president to do things before that vote out of a sense of being flexible and Congress being slow , and keep allowing more and more things, I think currently the president can do almost anything with the military so long as Congress leaders are told and they then can vote to stop it, instead of voting to approve it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I guess many will disagree but what’s wrong about bombing nuclear sites in countries trying to develop nukes?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    The intelligence agencies contradicted that narrative. The administration hasn't made a case that it is actually happening, but have just declared it so.

    Very much rhymes with declaration that Iraq had WMDs.

    As far as evidence goes, it looks like Trump has dragged us into another conflict that we really shouldn't be in. Which is dissapointing as if there was one small silver lining about Trump was that his rhetoric used to be that we shouldn't be wasting military resources in middle east conflicts so much.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Now, when a terrorist attack occurs, he's fully justified in declaring martial law.

    It's as good as over, folks. Checkmate.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    without congressional approval

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Congress decided quite a while ago that presidents are allowed to have a little war, as a treat, and only seek approval for it later. It's been this way at least since the '90s and likely before.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Nice, another one of those American values that we are all supposed to admire

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can if you want to, I guess. No one called for impeachment because Obama bombed Syrian weddings and schools.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Quit. You are ruled by a dictator.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Closeted men of war preaching about peace. Closeted gays fighting against gay rights. Judgemental/greedy/racist religious people putting themselves on a pedestal about how you should "take care of thy neighbor".

    It's always the ones who preach the most, the same ones doing the exact opposite of what they preach. Always the ones bitching about the bad in the world actively hard at work making the world a shittier place.

    Seriously, if Trump says the sky is blue I'll immediately look up just to check if it hasn't turned red/green/pink/whatever.

    Be always wary of the ones telling you how to live, and watch out for their actions closely. There's no hate like the 'love' of these hypocrites.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Remove Trump now!

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago

    That'll teach the Democrats for not embracing socialism.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Netanyahu must have some really good kompromat on trump thru Epstein.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Kamala did warn you Americans.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Given how Germany, France, the UK etc have all lined up behind Israel, towing the line that Israel has a right to defend itself, and even going as far as saying that Israel is doing our dirty work for us, I have very serious doubts that Harris would not have followed Israel down the warpath.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A Kamala administration would not have left the Iran nuclear agreement though.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Trump killed off the JCPOA in 2018. Biden had four years after 2020 to do something about that and didn't. So I don't know what you're basing your assertion on, it sounds more like wishful thinking to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Iran had zero interest immediately re-entering the agreement the previous president just broke. And rightfully so.

    Clearly you just want to blame Biden and Democrats for this and pretend things would be just as bad with Harris

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Well clearly you have me all figured out, motives and all.

    My original argument is specific: the way the European powers have aligned themselves with Israeli craziness does not inspire confidence that the Democrats would have been less hawkish. Underlying assumption: the Democrats tend to be as dovish as the Europeans.

    The previous commenter made a counterfactual claim that Harris would not have pulled out of JCPOA and I pointed out that a Harris admin wouldn't have a JCPOA to pull out of.

    You're now spinning a narrative around these very simple things I've said. Did the tankies hurt you and now you see them everywhere?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Well, I’m mildly surprised.

    The suddenness kind of reminds me of when he bombed Assad.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You know, the first two were enough for the world.

    I guess we've lived long enough to see ourselves become the villain.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago

    *Bombs a peaceful country. “Now is the time for peace.” 🫲🍊🫱

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can someone help me out here. How do they know that these sites are being used for nuclear weapons production specifically?

    Iran does have a nuclear power plant and they do enrich their own uranium. Not trying to justify these bombings, I'm just curious on how they determined these sites are specifically for weapon manufacturing.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Remember when Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

    Same thing.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago*

    So total bullshit with zero evidence, cool. Just felt I was missing something as they kept calling them nuclear sites without specifying what they believed the sites were being used for.

    Thanks for confirming

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    This fucking dickhead drumphkins. Could someone please....

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    It’s fair game to blame citizens of fascist countries for the politics they helped to bring forward. And the "democrats and republicans are the same"-crowd that is very vocal on Lemmy definitely helped to enable this.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Have you ever once thought "maybe I/we didn't do enough to stop the genocide"? Blaming the D politicians for supporting genocide? The D voters/financiers for not condemning the genocide?

    Maybe try that if you ever get another chance to vote, lol. Good luck!

    Or you can just continue blaming the people you failed to motivate against a fascist sociopath, twice. I'm sure things will turn out differently next time!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Anything to shift personal responsibility away from the people who made the choice not to vote against this, right?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't know maybe you'll end up with Trump again after this if people don't change the way they vote.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok, so how are you actively resisting?

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah sure I bet except from complaining here you don't do shit

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sounds like you don't like me reminding protest-non-voters what they voted for.

    Got another 3.5 years of this. Longer if you count the time it takes to fix things.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    And I'm reminding people what happens when they don't unite and vote, and instead do this "n n not good enough!" stuff.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    we're all suffering because of people who protest nonvoted right now. So fuck them. They're just as much to blame as the maga voters. They fucked everything up. Its fucked. Its all fucked. So yeah, were going to be pissed about it.

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    Officially we'll only be able to call that afterwards, during the cold war ww3 also almost begun. We should still try stop and prevent it, no matter how difficult it to argue it hasn't begun yet.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Not defending any of this but these WW3 comments are so weird. The US has been in so many wars in the Middle East, why would this specific one turn into a world war? Especially since there will not be boots on the ground (you never know with trump but I think that’s genuinely the last thing he wants to do).

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