Aside from monetization, I think being able to give people awards/trophies/badges would just be a fun thing. I collected some weird ones on Stackoverflow back in the day.
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The idea clearly comes from a good intention, i like rewards in themselves but i dislike the fact that people with more money have more advantages, even slight ones. I admit that this is kind of a moralist take, and that in practice it's what makes some great projects possible via crowdfunding. I also admit that not wanting to encourage user contributions can lead to enterprise/state contribution being necessary or more tempting, which is probably worse. But i disliked that part on Reddit, and i would be a bit disappointed to have it on foss federative projects as well.
Purely cosmetic vanity items are pretty ok I feel. Someone is putting a badge "I supported this with $5" someone else "I had 5k USD to spare, look at how rich I am", that does not bother me. It is actually informative and not necessarily the badge of honor they think. We decide what it means.
Please don't
Yeah, I have to say I'm also critical of this. One side is the gamification aspect, which I don't really think is beneficial to healthy discussion. The other is the possibility for abuse; these awards give trolls a superpower by tagging other people's posts with highly inappropriate "awards" that could be very badly received.
I see the value of monetization, but maybe something as simple as an optional "PieFed donor" flair on user profiles of people who send monthly contributions could achieve some of this benefit without the possibility for abuse.
does PieFed having the classic "cover our monthly hosting costs" progress bar OG reddit used to have?
donating used to give you account gold (which didn't allow you to give awards) but still gave you access to extra features (like saved posts I believe)
since PieFed is open source maybe these could be tied to extra hosting capacity and not paywalling features? ie you donate X amount you get to upload Y amount more images/video to share on the instance?
I'd be weary of being able to pay to give others awards as that allows actors with more capital to sway conversations and astroturf a forum that's supposed to be democratic.
Money ruins everything, don't do this.
Perhaps, but sadly we do need money to make things work. If PieFed grows to 1 Million+ users I don't think donations are going to cut it.
Are we talking about PieFed the software or piefed.social the instance? We should seperate development cost from hosting cost.
If PieFed the software grows to 1M users and the users are distributed across a lot of instances, the cost for hosting is split between all instances.
If the instance piefed.social grows to 1M users we have a different problem and that is centralization.
Money can pay for new features like the ability to upload videos or keep images longer etc. Currently I think images older than x years get deleted, money can solve this.
Thought experiment: Reddit has 400 million weekly active users. Let's say PieFed grows to 10% of that.
That means that there will likely be multiple instances with over 4 million weekly active users, how do they pay for that? Who pays for all the images (and hopefully video) that those users share?
These type of sites don't need to host video. Hell, I'd argue they don't need to host images either for the most part. They're huge drains on it. People can embed from external sources.
The Fediverse is not remotely ready to incorporate anything like this currently, it would cause too much anger.
I disagree, images add a lot and it's already built into PieFed quite nicely. Relying on things like imgur to host your images comes with a lot of problems, adds friction and is bad UX.
If PieFed becomes 10% the size of reddit, which I hope it does, how do you propose the hosing costs of the ~40 million weekly active users are paid for?
Piefed is a long, long way from that. Cross that bridge if it happens. I personally doubt it will.
Easy Cop-out
Huh? Cop-out for what?
To think of possible solutions and not just shut down any ideas.
If you think my suggestion is bad, I challenge you to come up with a better one.
There's no immediate financial imperative to do this. I wouldn't complain if Rimu if tried to do this now, but I don't think it would go down well at all.
Cool so let's just pin this as one of the best current suggestions until something better can be thought of.
FYI, the current trend is a decrease in number of active users: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Money can pay for new features like the ability to upload videos or keep images longer etc. Currently I think images older than x years get deleted
that's unrelated to the software, it's an option for the instance admin to choose how much they want to host
It's important to separate piefed software development cost, and cost to host instances.
Images/video if that was a feature is a burden for the instance admin in terms of storage cost, not the software developer.
That's be like donating to a game developer for more FPS for your game. The burden of FPS would be on the user and the GPU and hardware they decide to use.
I'm pro achievement badges. Paid content can come where there are many achievements already.
I suppose the technology to federate it wouldn't be too hard. A badge or award or custom reaction could get federated with the same mechanism we federate a flair or an upvote. I mean ActivityPub is very broad and lenient with things and we rely on mutual trust between instances anyway. I suppose money being involved incentivises people to do weird stuff, but same applies to some political arguments and trolls and we have that somewhat covered.
I mean im fine with it. Its like vanity items with mmos. As long as it does not effect gameplay that is the way to go. I have no problem with people with cash using it to keep the platform healthy and get a bit of bling out of it.
Perhaps as a trial run active users could get 1 Gold, 2 Silver and 3 Bronze rewards per month.
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