Eh. This depends on the job being done. In my field of work the only thing that matters is that you get the job done. What office hours you keep are not very important. On the other hand, my friend works shift work where he has to replace someone directing a process (think air traffic control). Being 10 minutes late is a dick move because you are forcing the person you are replacing to stay longer at the end of a shift.
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Keep pretending to pay a fair wage and I'll pretend to give a shit about being on time.
I don't think they'll be pretending to pay for long if you keep being late lol
Yeah... better to get there on time and then slack off at work.
Depends on your position and workplace: Some really don't care when you come in as long as you're getting shit done, others are the opposite. I've worked both and prefer working at places that don't care as long as things run smoothly.
I mean yeah? I don't know how employment contracts work elsewhere but here it says when you should be at work and of course by (repeatedly) breaking your contract you'll get sacked. Fair enough imo
Lots of people work salary
Does that mean they are contracted for certain work but not certain hours or certain time of day?
It's not necessarily contract work, but yeah I guess you could describe it that way.
You get hired for $X/year, and that's what you make. Your paycheck, if weekly for example, will always be $X/52 regardless of how many or how few hours you worked.
Why not just put in zero hours?
Because you're hired to get work done?
If you literally did nothing, you might get fired or at least your contract would not be renewed depending on who you are/where you are. Some people actually do that though, usually some nepobaby, and manage to avoid getting fired because they have some connection to higher ups.
I could probably get away with doing little to nothing for a good while because I've built up a lot of good will and favors at my job, but eventually I'd probably get canned. I'd also get pretty bored with that pretty quickly, I actually do like my job, I just don't usually go all out when I'm there.
Salary means you get paid a certain amount of money every year but everything else is defined by your contract: You might not have to come in at all if your contract doesn't stipulate that, you could even literally be paid to do nothing or you could be on call 24/7 or anything in between.
This is not the same thing as contractors, who are not employed by the company and bill for their work at an hourly rate. Salary is more stable income usually with decent to good benefits in the US and can work any number of hours (or lack thereof). Contractors can make more per hour, but still have to cover their own medical, dental, retirement, etc.
You'd be super wrong there, at least in my case: I'm late all the time, not only do I still have my job, I get great reviews and token raises every time I'm up for review. If I left, they'd be in trouble, they definitely won't fire me. I don't bust my ass and they understand I won't be taking calls outside of designated hours, doing anything heroic, etc. but I am still very valuable to my employer.
I joked about having a job interview once during a meeting with leadership and it was one of the most awkward silences I'd ever heard until I told them I was just kidding: They thought I was serious and their terror was palpable. My manager once told me I'd have to commit multiple crimes to get fired when I made a joke about getting fired because there was an end of day meeting on a Friday.
I stay because it's a chill job and I like most of the people I work with even though the pay isn't amazing, but I could probably go somewhere else and make at least 30-50% more, though at the possible cost of more stress and less job security. My commute is pretty great too, 2 miles away and sometimes I even walk to work.
Have you got caught?
It's not exactly a secret, but sure I guess? I've said hi to my boss, their boss, the CIO's secretary, the CIO, etc. when coming in late plenty of times.
Seems your boss is pretty lenient about it
My boss, my boss's boss, etc. - you work at the right place and are valuable enough, they 100% don't care if you're a little late, even if it's every day! They let me leave early if I want too and if my lunch break runs a little long, that's fine. Not every place is a micromanaged shithole.
On the other hand, if something runs late and I have to stay and address it, I don't complain so I guess it's a two way street. I've even come in early before when necessary (though it's rare).
Stay late 10 minutes: that's as good as leaving on time. I can't be expected to pay you more.
Arrive 10 minutes late: how could you? 10 minutes of my time is an eternity!
Like most statements about work, it really depends on the job.
For shift work without overlapping shifts, being late keeps someone else on duty after their shift is up.
But if you're working an office gig and your work is getting done, it's fine. There's a reason I don't schedule any meetings within an hour of the start or end of the day.
Really depends what you are 10 minutes late for. A meeting with other participants, ok if your role is to sit and listen. Not OK if people are waiting for you to start. It's not OK to be late to relieve a co worker either
Depends on the job.
Depends on the coworker. I’m going to have to all Jeff’s side work anyway. He can wait until after my coffee.
Betty can show up ‘on time’ and spend 40 min making coffee and shit talking with her neighbors, but I show up 10 min late and start working right away but I’m the bad employee somehow.
Ive come to learn that employers are not paying you for your labor but for your time. They care more about your availability than how much you actually work. It is also why how hard you work never factors into how much you get paid.
You never get a raise (above inflation) by doing your current work "better" or "harder". You get a raise by changing roles completely or adding on responsibilities that expressly is worth some extra pay. Or changing company.
But as an employee, I've come to realize that I don't value my pay as what I do, but how much time per day I dedicate towards my work. Time is all we have, really.
Ive come to learn that employers are not paying you for your labor but for your time.
Commuting time should be salaried.
Because depending on the company you're for a large part not paid for productivity but for presenteeism.
I agree with you but unfortunately you have to work with people, and those people's ideas of you can make it harder or easier for you to actually do your work, or influence the stress you're exposed to, so it's in your own interest to put up a good façade, then if necessary fuck them in the ass... figuratively.
Well if you are supposed to be at work at 7 then you should be at work at 7 tbh
10 mins late to an office job where they get their 10m back, AOK.
10 mins late to cashier/sales gig where you're relieving someone else, not great.
10 mins late to a meeting is bad
10 mins late to class is bad.
10 minutes late when you work in a hospital setting could mean I will be staying another hour to finish up what should have been the late worker’s responsibility
If you have a meeting first thing, don't.
If I have a meeting first thing in the morning that’s when I’ll get there. Even if it’s at 10.
I never manage to absorb anything in a pre-0900 meeting. That first chunk of the day is for me to catch up on all the shit that happened since I was last there (personal opinion).
It definitely depends on the job. I work in TV and live events. If your late you either miss the pre production meeting, or we all have to wait for you to start. If your later than that you are holding the team up and making people work harder to be ready by on-air time.
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Yeah. It definitely depends on the job.
If you're relieving someone, they might be annoyed if you're late but nobody is going to die or anything. If your work isn't extremely time sensitive, nobody should give a fuck...
If things can't go because you're not there, and it's very time sensitive, then there's a problem. Everyone is waiting on your ass to show up.
“ If your work isn’t extremely time sensitive, nobody should give a fuck…”
Except if Im staying to cover for you and I have other things I need to do or want to do I might give a fuck. The “no one should really care” POV overlooks how being late can impact others.
I had a specific exception for if you're relieving someone.
I recognised this exact issue in my original statement.
"If you’re relieving someone, they might be annoyed if you’re late but nobody is going to die or anything."
That's not how I read this. I read this as you suggesting it isn't a real problem.
It's not a serious problem. Needs of the one vs needs of the many and all that.
It's still discourteous.
But at the same time, people who do that kind of work, generally understand how annoying it is when their relief shows up late, so that kind of thing usually works itself out naturally.... Or the chronic late person ends up needing to find a new job.
I can see it mattering if it's shift work and someone else has to stay late. If it's office work? Nah. Doesn't matter.
Exactly. It also matters what type of shift work. If you’re late to a hospital nursing shift, that sucks because you can’t do the changeover stuff and they’ve been there 12 hours. Or if you’re the only one taking phone calls in the morning or something. In sane a world, there would be room for decent folks as well as folks who are always on time.
This is the number one mistakes that dumbfucks make about decent folks, hence why I said it that way.
They probably meant descent. As in the fall of society.
If there is no buffer for shift changes, they're doing it wrong. Just in time is a bad model in general, but it's horrible mismanagement for scheduling shifts.
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