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What did these morons think was going to happen? That people working for free was going to be sustainable?
With the way things are going, I'm glad I don't need to fly anywhere. The holiday travel season this year is going to be a disaster.
🎼 O' Say Can You See 🎵
🎵 Still waitin' for the flight 🎵
And the pilots red glare; planes colliding mid-air,
Gave proof through the night that the paychecks arent there
Holy crap Americans are so complacent.
They are so against union action or workers banding together to do anything meaningful for their workplace or themselves that it takes another outside circumstance to cause them to stop working.
Unionize and work together to force all levels of government to do something about this problem!
The FAA also never fully recovered and has been short-staffed since Reagan.
Which means they can't ever do that again, which should have given the power back to the ATCs to simply ignore the law and strike anyway.
Even Trump can't make new ATCs appear out of thin air.
Well that's the thing, just like Reagan, he can use the military to temporarily replace them.
Military airfields have the same procedures
Then they should do that so they earn pay more honestly than invading people at home and abroad.
Many do, but you don't understand that once you sign up for the military you are trapped in it for a while.
Also I generally don't try to hate the individual that much. We all know the US military is designed to target the most impoverished and desperate in our society to feed them to the war machine. There are many places in the United States where the only way to escape poverty is the military. This is intentional, it creates the illusion of a "volunteer" military and frankly people care less when poor people die.
SMH. You referenced Reagan, as in the US administration. That's who I referenced.
What? You're suggesting that Reagan should have left the presidency to be a full time air traffic controller? Or are we talking about soldiers from the 80s?
I thought it was pretty clear we were talking about modern day America and using examples from the past to demonstrate the options that Trump could use
The admin. Holy shit, so much for inference.
Then they should do that so they earn pay more honestly than invading people at home and abroad.
How is this statement not talking about the individual soldiers?
I'm certain you're not suggesting Trump leave the presidency to become and air traffic controller.
Nah they still have the union, but it's illegal for them to strike so it's pretty toothless.
Might happen again at Thanksgiving.
That would be such a hilariously sad type of self harm. I don't think the staffing has even fully recovered from the Reagan layoffs.
I would imagine it has, but... ATC training takes a few years and the ones who have stuck it out have been in those roles a long time. There is a cohort of staff who all started and will leave the service at around the same time. I would imagine they are seinor staff or managers by now in their careers, but that much institutional knowlege leaving at the same time would be just as damaging.
You would think that... But before the strike there was 14k ATC controllers, full capactity.
Right now there are currently 10,643 fully-certified air traffic controllers operating 313 federal facilities across the nation.
The total number of certified controllers required to fully staff all facilities to established staffing targets is 14,633.
The American national airspace system is 72.7% staffed with controllers. There is a deficit of 3,990 certified controllers.
like, what i don't get, is how you're imagining this.
people form a union, then strike, then what? simple, the company fires everyone who is on strike for "not fulfilling their work contract". simple as that, the company hires new people. these can strike too and lose their jobs too. new people get hired. repeat until the people left working at the company are those who don't strike in general.
what do you mean, "just strike"?
This isn't some night stocking retail job they can pull people off the streets for.
Vetting and training ATC takes actual years.
Reagan pulled off mass firings last time they tried striking by pulling in military ATC to do the job.
But yeah if it's a skilled industry and the strike is big enough it can and does force the company's hand.
I mean, it works everywhere else. If there was an unlimited pot of ATCs then flights wouldn't have been cancelled today.
How’s that boot taste?
Finally, Donald Trump doing something good by protecting Americans from the hell that is LAX!
Flights to Los Angeles International Airport being halted because of an air traffic controller shortage isn’t surprising — LAX is one of the busiest airports in the world, and even small staffing gaps can cause major delays. If you want real-time updates, you can check the arrivals and Departure board here: LAX Flight Live Updates

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