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[–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There’s a few replies talking about humans misrepresenting the news. This is true, but part of the problem here is that most people understand the concept of bias - even if only to the extent of “my people neutral, your people biased”. But this is less true for LLMs. There’s research which shows that because LLMs present information authoritatively that not only do people tend to trust them, but they’re actually less likely to check the sources that the LLM provides than they would be with other forms of being presented with information.

And it’s not just news. I’ve seen people seriously argue that fringe pseudo-science is correct because they fed a very leading prompt into a chatbot and got exactly the answer they were looking for.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fascist social media influencers are already pushing generated bodycam and surveillance videos for xenophobia etc. A large enough mass of the population doesn't know what's real and that's the goal

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I wish they had broke it out by AI. The article states:

    "Gemini performed worst with significant issues in 76% of responses, more than double the other assistants, largely due to its poor sourcing performance."

    But I don't see that anywhere in the linked PDF of the "full results".

    This sort of study should also be re-done from time to time to track AI version numbers.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It doesn't really matter, "AI" is being asked to do a task it was never meant to do. It isn't good at it, and it will never be good at it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Using an LLM to return accurate information is like using a shoe to hammer a nail.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Wow, way to completely ignore the content of the comment you're replying to. Clearly, some are better than others... so, how do the others perform? It's worth knowing before we make assertions.

    The excerpt they quoted said:

    "Gemini performed worst with significant issues in 76% of responses, more than double the other assistants, largely due to its poor sourcing performance."

    So that implies that "the other assistants" performed more than twice as well, so presumably that means encountering serious issues less than 38% of the time (still not great, but better). But they said "more than double the other assistants", does that mean double the rate of one of the others or double the average of the others? If it's an average it would mean that some models probably performed better, while others performed worse.

    This was the point, what was reported was insufficient information.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, you are a techbro. You suck because your ideas doesn't take into consideration actual real life. Fuck you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Wow, that's just incredibly dismissive and rude. And in response to a completely reasonable comment!

    Look, forget the whole AI discussion, I don't care. Here's the thing, I really like Lemmy. I really like this community and I want to continue using it as a way to have discussions with people about interesting topics. What I don't want to see is people yelling insults and swearing at any user they disagree with.

    Frankly, that behavior is unwelcome. That's reddit behavior, you can go there if that's what you want to do.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I dont understand the use people make of AI. I know a lot of of professionnal composer who are like "That's awesome, AI does the music for me now!" and I'm like, cool, now you only have the boring part of the job to do since the fun part was made by AI. Creating the music is litteraly the only fun part, I hate everything around it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's a word predictor. It is good at simple text processing. Think local code refactoring, changing the style or structure of a small text piece, or summarizing small text pieces into even smaller text pieces. It is ok at synthesizing new text that has similar structure to the training corpus. Think generating repetitive boilerplate or copywriting. It is very bad at recalling or checking facts, logic, mathematics, and everything else that people seem to be using it for nowadays.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Precision, nuance, and up to the moment contextual understanding are all missing from the “intelligence.”

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Makes sense. I have used AI for software development tasks such as manipulating SQL queries and XML files (tedious things) and am always disappointed with how AI will misinterpret some things. But it’s obvious with those when the requests fail. But for things like “the news” where there is no QA team to point out the defect, it will be much harder to notice. And when AI starts (or continues) to use AI generated posts as sources, it will get much worse.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I've had someone else's AI summarize some content I created elsewhere, and it got it incredibly wrong to the point of changing the entire meaning of my original content.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Parrot is wrong almost half of the time. Who knew?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Do you realize what you just said????!!!

    Wow! They have reached parrot intelligence!

    Next they might teach it to butterfly! You know, like you're off the ground and going somewhere in open air, but they just keep building shit right where you're flying.... And lamps!

    From there, who knows?!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yet the LLM seems to be what everyone is pushing, because it will supposedly get better. Haven't we reached the limits of this model and shouldn't other types of engines be tried?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And then I wonder how frequently humans misinterpret the mistranslated news.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    wrinkle: AI used for this study

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The info-sphere today is already a highly delusional place and news can be often contradictory, even from day to day especially by outlets like BCC who is more focused on setting global narratives, not being a reporter of facts as best understood at the moment. No wonder AI would be confused, most readers are confused when navigating every statement made by experts or anonymous officials on every subject. Seems like this study really measured an AI models ability to vomit out the same text in different words and avoiding using any outside context be it accurate or hallucination.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "misrepresent" is a vague term. Actual graph from the study

    The main issue is usual.. sources. AI is bad at sources without a proper pipeline. They note that Gemini is the worst at 72%.

    Note, they're not testing models with their own pipeline. They're testing other people's products. This is more indicative of the product design than the actual models

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This graph clearly shows that AI is also shockingly bad at factual accuracy and at telling a news story in such a way that someone who didn't already know about it to understand the issues and context. I think you're misrepresenting this graph as being bad about sources, but here's a better summary of the point you seem to be making:

    AI's summaries don't match their source data.

    So actually, the headline is pretty accurate in calling it misrepresentation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    buT AI iS hERe tO StAY

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  • Could be better, but still a huge step up from the hate rhetoric magats get spoon fed 24/7 from Fox and friends.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    So less of a percentage than the readers and mass media

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    [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    20 years ago if a newspaper had factual issues in 45% of their stories we would've called it a tabloid and made fun of people who took it seriously

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    How much news content has mistakes due to LLMs to begin with?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    60% of the time it works all the time.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    LLMs basically work from attempting to synthesize information. Which can already be incorrect.

    What a shock that software that essentially smashes together a bunch of (often wrong) opinions/statements could be, gasp, wrong!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So, are we still in the 'its gonna get better' phase?

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    But 55% of the time it works every time.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    The study focuses on general questions asked of "market-leading AI Assistants" (there is no breakdown between which models were used for what).

    It does not mention ground.news, or models that have been fed a single article and then summarized. Instead this focuses on when a user asks a service like ChatGPT (or a search engine) something like "what’s the latest on the war in Ukraine?"

    Some of the actual questions asked for this research: "What happened to Michael Mosley?" "Who could use the assisted dying law?" "How is the UK addressing the rise in shoplifting incidents?" "Why are people moving to BlueSky?"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/documents/audience-use-and-perceptions-of-ai-assistants-for-news.pdf

    With those questions, the summaries and attribution of sources contain at least one significant error 45% of the time.

    It's important to note that there is some bias in this study (not that they're wrong).

    They have a vested interest in proving this point to drive traffic back to their articles.

    Personally, I would find it more useful if they compared different models/services to each other as well as differences between asking general questions about recent news vs feeding specific articles and then asking questions about it.

    With some of my own tests on locally run models, I have found that the "reasoning" models tend to be worse for some tasks than others.

    It's especially noticeable when I'm asking a model to transcribe the text from an image word for word. "Reasoning" models will usually replace the ending of many sentences with what it sounded like the sentence was getting at. While some "non-reasoning" models were able to accurately transcribe all of the text.

    The biggest takeaway I see from this study is that, even though most people agree that it's important to look out for errors in AI content, "when copy looks neutral and cites familiar names, the impulse to verify is low."

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