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[–] 107 points 1 year ago (1 child)

"I see the problem, your AP is in the Faraday Chasity Cage. Closing ticket."

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Remember when some jokers started selling Faraday cages for Wi-Fi routers on Amazon, claiming that it would protect the user from wireless signals?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Faraday was here!

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Maybe if use smaller, tighter squares.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm just impressed they labelled the WAP.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Hmm I don't think I get this one.

    Is it because its in a cage? I don't think that will do much to block the WiFi antenna.

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  • [–] 113 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    The bar spacing is smaller than 2.4GHz radio waves. It absolutely will affect signal. Should have used a plastic cage.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Are they really that big? Huh, TIL.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Fascinating, thanks for the info

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Doesn't look grounded, though.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Faraday cages cannot block stable or slowly varying magnetic fields, such as the Earth's magnetic field (a compass will still work inside one). To a large degree, however, they shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the wavelength of the radiation

    I'm certainly no expert, but something tells me the cage in OP's pic doesn't fit the criteria to act as a faraday cage.

    E: Nope, I'm wrong. u/deegeese has informed me on how big the wavelength is.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The mesh is not dense enough to be a true Faraday cage for 2.4GHz, but is dense enough to hurt signal strength.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Probably not for a MIMO AP. The whole idea is that you solve the equations to optimize in the presence of multipath. It's legit wizard shit but it's the reason why your cell phone works in a parking garage, because the optimal channel is bouncing off the ventilation shaft. For any reasonably modern AP, it should work the same way. This might hurt a bit but not that much.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    It will not act as a Faraday cage, the holes need to smaller for that, about 1 cm max. However, wifi signals do get disturbed by a cage like this due to the low power of these signals.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Wifi is a fickle beast, though you may be right.

    The elements of the cage will probably interfere, but won't straight up block the signal. To be an effective faraday cage, holes in the material must be no bigger than 1/10th the wavelength.

    2.4GHz wifi has a wavelength of 12cm, and 5GHz is about 5cm...so holes in the cage should be no bigger than 1.2cm for 2.4GHz, or 0.5cm for 5GHz.

    I may expect some signal reflection and likely a high noise floor as a result to being so close to a hunk of metal. That'll cause some problems.

    Problem #1 is this AP is oriented vertically on a wall. The antennas in these models are designed to be parallel to the floor, and usually not much higher than 15ft.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    2.4GHz wifi has a wavelength of 12cm

    that's actually massive, I thought it would be like half a centimeter at most

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They need more "I" in their IT, plastic protectors exist.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    If it's higher than eye-level, they don't need a cage for it at all. It's not even locked, just use any old Phillips screwdriver to remove the 4 screws!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Yeah boss the RSSI numbers look great!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Oh I see the issue... They forgot to ground the cage

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The mesh is just about the size of the wifi wage length

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    This is a 2.4 GHz directional WiFi antenna. Only the back element is connected to the transceiver. All of the other elements are there to focus the signal. Anything metallic within a few feet of an antenna will have a substantial effect on the signal. Think of it as light, because it is, only transparency of materials is a bit weird. The biggest issues will come from metallic materials that are earth grounded and anything with a wire length that is close to the wavelength of the radio light or below, especially around half and a quarter of the wavelength. That pictured wire pitch is spaced very close to the approximate 2.4 GHz wave length. For example most antenna are an insulated trace on a circuit board that is insulated with ground up to a point and then there is a small circuit element that stops the ground and the actual antenna trace continues for the respective light wavelength to transmit or receive. All an antenna is here is an exposed length of single conductor wire.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    That's just an AP. That's not a directional antenna for a wireless bridge. You can even read the AP sticker on it.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    All those confident words they typed... for nothing. Lol

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I must be missing the joke or something? That's literally what this is. It's an AP not a directional antenna. I have used a ton of directional antennas. Hell I have one that I'm using to get my network to my garage which is 1/4 of a mile away.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think they were trying to say that the cage in front with the AP behind, acts as a directional antenna. Similar to how Yagi antennas have metal elements that aren't connected in front of the actual antenna.

    But I don't know enough antenna theory to know if that's correct.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Even if this was right, which it isn't, wifi stopped being 2.4Ghz exclusive almost 20 years ago. You have 5Ghz and since 5 year ago or so, 6Ghz, with significantly shorter wavelengths.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    And if I look at the frequency spectrum I see that all my neighbours use 2.4GHz (9 are in channel 8) and I got the entire 5GHz spectrum to myself.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Channel 8? I thought modern routers automatically select 1 6 and 11. That must be some ancient equipment around.

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