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[–] 98 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"get a degree and you'll have a job" backfired

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The opposite is fucking people over lately too. Pure coding jobs are passing people over because they don’t have literally any degree and it’s insane. 10 years of experience but no degree? Pass. Fresh out of a bootcamp and a bachelors in music? You’re hired!

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    The best programmers, sysadmins, and other techies I’ve worked with had humanities degrees. Being a STEMlord who can’t be nice or express yourself well in words will put you at a disadvantage in even the nerdiest of jobs.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    To quote Adam Savage; The one skill to focus on, is how easy you are to work with. People will always take the less skilled but easy to interact with person, before the "full of them self" savant.

    I'm using the word quote here in the broadest of sense. Cause I know I'm butchering the quote. Only remember the gist of it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am working with a full team of low skilled, feely-touchy people.

    The product is no where usable, the parent company is starting to increase the pressure to deliver, but hey, it's a nice place to stay until the doors close.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah, Adam Savage was saying that as a highly skilled person. I’ve worked with personality hires. I’ve worked with military-grade weaponized autism. I prefer the autism, because at least I don’t need to babysit them and double-check all of their work.

    With the autists, at least you can reliably know “if I give them {A}, I’ll get {B} in return. Not {B-1}, not {B+1}. Always {B}.” I don’t mind teaching. It’s inevitable in any job. But working with personality hires always ends up being an exercise in patience, because there’s only so many times I can show someone how to do something. I work in an industry with extremely strict deadlines where your work is presented to hundreds or thousands of people at a time. So if a personality hire needs to be re-trained on things because they can’t grasp something, (or just keeps doing things wrong because they don’t want to ask for help), then it puts an extra burden on the rest of us to keep meeting those deadlines.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    other techies I’ve worked with had humanities degrees

    My sister, who's been an occupational therapist, personal assistant and on other 'soft' jobs recently got hired as a helpdesk employee just for that reason. Apparently it's easier to teach a humanist to reset M365 passwords and do simple troubleshooting than teach a techie on how to deal with humans (which is a major part of being an on-call support for anything).

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Let's be real, a lot of people got in in the hopes of appeasing "the market". What "the market" wanted, and still wants, is an excess of qualified people, so they can more easily pick, choose and abuse the workers. This has been the case for ages.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    The government pushed propaganda to oversaturate STEM to drive down the cost of skilled labor.

    It worked as intended.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    It didn’t backfire for employers. I’m sure newly-minted coding boot campers depressed wages for everyone.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    AI propaganda

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The claim in the video that ChatGPT is better at coding than CS grads really bothers me. ChatGPT is not good at writing code. None of the LLMs are. They are at best fancy (and exhorbitantly expensive) predictive autocomplete machines.

    LLMs aren't replacing programmers or other "low skill" jobs. Clueless managers are attempting to replace these jobs with a poor excuse for automation to cut costs and tick their "we adopted AI!" PR checkbox. The fact that 95% of generative AI pilot projects in businesses are failing really speaks volumes to this.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Classic. Liberal arts trying to justify itself assuming technical people cannot communicate, think, or understand context. Good luck with that. To make good money you have to have a specialty. Preferably a masters or a technical degree and I mean that in the broadest way.

    Sure you can start with liberal arts but you should expect to then get that specialty. So 6 years. For a technical education 2 to 4 years might do it but 6 might still be good. Counter balance, every year is costly both in terms of expenses, missed earnings, and time value of money. 6 years is a big barrier to entry.

    Edit: I do share the concern about any hot fields. Boom and bust. Coding and now data science have been really popular so one wonders. Similarly about things that can be automated and off shored.

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