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[–] 240 points 1 year ago (1 child)

you, too, can die at the hands of AI and become forever enshrined as algorithmic data to help improve Tesla's subscription services sales to the very wealthy and hostile

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Yep. This is inevitable. Whenever we get to the point where consumers are controlling the aggression of the self driving, which will happen no matter laws are past.

    Ultimately it's all just code on hardware.

    Tesla is definitely doing their fuck around, still waiting to find out on this one. Eventually that liability will catch up with them. The question is months, years, or decades.

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    When a self driving car breaks the law, the CEO should get the demerit points on their own licence, and if they lose their licence, the cars can't drive anymore.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That would be funny but better yet, the entire line of cars gets the feature deleted from them and customers are reimbursed the entire value of the car plus interest in exchange for having risked their lives testing an unstable and dangerous vehicle.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The second one of these cars cause a fatal collision due to wanton disregard of the law on part of the CEO, he should be held criminally liable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    CEOs like you're talking about, they dont drive.

    the only time they'll step behind the wheel of a car is for a pleasure cruise in some multi million dollar supercar on a track, or a closed / private road.

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    [+] 137 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because now it can hurt others going even faster

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why do we continue to allow this company to exist and break the law?

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago

    They finally did it. They automated crime 👍

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Adaptive cruise control is good enough for most people and has been a proven technology for 20+ years. FSD is just downright dangerous.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I like my car’s version that’s just adaptive cruise control combined with using lidar maps of major roads to do lane-centering. I can go on a road trip and not touch the gas, break, or steering wheel for hours, but I have to drive it myself through residential neighborhoods.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    what type of car? my outback isn't bad but it's not quite that good, especially if there's a stiff breeze

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Cadillac CT5

    They’ll even pass slow cars then get back over.

    And none of that “touch the steering wheel every few min” stuff, but it uses infrared pupil trackers to make sure you’re mostly looking at the road and not sleeping.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The idea of infrared pupil trackers is terrifying.

    Imagine the tracking potential for insurance companies, law enforcement, etc...

    I know this is offtopic, just the first thought that comes to my mind :(

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  • yeah that's definitely going to be a bit higher spec than my Wilderness lmao. The Outback will maintain lane and do centering but does not like even moderate turns, roads with questionable paint, or gusty conditions. It's great for highway use and it definitely won't pass other cars for me, but it will take me pretty far off the beaten path as long as I'm not trying to follow a jeep. Hell yeah, sounds like we've both got solid cars that fit our needs.

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  • [+] 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Now trump is black bagging US citizens in broad daylight, and Musk is an immigrant who fully admitted that he originally entered the country illegally. The danger must have creeped its way through his ketamine addled brain.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Musk also has a private army of security contractors (and someone like him probably has mercenaries off killing people in other countries too)

    he's far too much trouble to go after, if you're DHS, regardless if you're Trump DHS or Democrat DHS. someone like that is ungovernable.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    Just because Elon is above the law doesn’t mean you are, even if you’re in a Tesla. Good luck.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Even if you’re just minding your business when a sleeping pilled-out middle manager from Subway corporate plows into your 98 Corolla in their Tesla at 100 mph leaving your family without a father and source of income because a billionaire nazi who's constantly off his nut on ketamine decided rules are stupid and don’t apply to him and the entire societal structure designed to prevent this from happening has been hollowed out by incompetent bigots who absolutely rate high on the sociopath scale because nazi media has ensnared 51% of the population and now you dead.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Take a breath, dude.

    Edit: lol at the downvotes. It's just a gag about the lack of punctuation on a comment that I otherwise agree with.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I’m not sure what this system does, but my non-Tesla car can adjust its intelligent cruise control by speed limit signs it sees, and you can tell it to have a buffer. Mine is set for +5, so if the sign says 45 miles per hour, the car drives itself at 50 mph.

    If it’s something like that, which you set yourself, it’s probably fine. Just know what the police in your area enforce. Where I live you can generally go five over without an issue, ten over on the freeways. Everyone does this, so if you go the speed limit you end up annoying everyone.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    So dumb that society collectively agreed that 35 means 40, 40 means 45, 45 means 50, etc.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There’s a little more to it than that. They also need to consider that, in cars with an analogue speed dial, the actual speed is not displayed precisely. Plus, there may be minor discrepancies between the speed dial and the actual speed, which can be affected by non-standard tyres etc. So a small “buffer” in acceptable speeds is pretty reasonable.

    I recall being told by someone at a Mitsubishi factory that car manufacturers actually intentionally set the speed dials to be slightly higher speed than reality to accommodate for people’s need to break the rules just a little…!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I was also told it's about the calibration of the radar guns. They are calibrated to -7/+0 meaning if you are going 47 mph there is a chance you are picked up as going 40. That said if you are going 41 or 42 there is a good chance the cop picks you up as going less than 40.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    It makes us feel like we’re speedy little rebels. 🤣

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But then why don't we all shoplift packs of gum every week?

    Speeding is the one law everyone agrees is fun and acceptable to break a bit, despite being more dangerous than many actual crimes.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Because when the road is built for a safe speed target of 65, then the limit is set at 55 instead, yeah you get people who are breaking the legal limit but not the actual safe speed.

    Edit: forgot a link: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/design/standards/151007.cfm

    tl;dr: design speeds and speed limits are not necessarily related. "Selection of a posted speed is an operational decision for which the owner and operator of the facility is responsible."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Where I'm at, they're trying to do that plan where they lower speed limits and change the roads to reflect the slower speeds with narrowing, or bikes lanes, or speed bumps etc to reduce car accident deaths, but they ignored the entire part about changing the roads to reflect the new speeds, and just lowered the speeds.

    So you got these 4-6 lane roads that were designed for 50km/h and now they're 30-40km/h and absolutely no one, is doing the posted limit, at the new 30 areas, not even cops.

    All I can come up with is now if you speed like people may have before, you're really over the limit, so it's easier to ticket someone? Like before people might have gone 55-60 in the 50 zone, but now going 55 is well over 40, and impound level over 30.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I've driven by a few radar speed indicators in my car, and I'm consistently going 4 km/h less than what my digital speedometer says, regardless of speed. I find it difficult to believe this is an accident. So if I had your vehicle and it behaved like my speedometer does, I would still only be +1 over the limit. Also, I now drive with my speedometer +5 to +9 relative to the speed limit, which keeps me more in line with the traffic around me.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So there’s finally a “New Jersey” mode.

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  • [+] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They didn't pay for the car, so why do they get a say right?

    Sarcasm.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Simple. They buy a don't run me over subscription. The free market triumphs once again ^/s^

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I don't agree with the notion that chimps are less life-worthy than humans.

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  • states just need to ban teslas from public road

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    I can't wait to get paralyzed by a cybertruck veering in to me at the highway

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Next will be teslas without airbags. Because why not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    TBF, if they're going to lock you in a burning car unable to exit, killing you with the dashboard or sterring column would be a mercy killing compared to burning to death inside.

    replace the airbag with a letal injection perhaps?

    /s

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Hurry mode" lol. I'm pretty sure every driving instruction manual ever made says something like "don't drive like you're in a hurry."

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago

    which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes

    Go kiss a concrete pillar, ya duds

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    With the exception of not being low cost items, Tesla blended with a little SpaceX could become Spacers Choice from The Outer Worlds.

    "At Spacer's Choice, we cut corners so you don't have to”.

    "It's not the best choice, it's Spacer's Choice”.

    “Taste the freedom”.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Intentionally breaking laws sounds like something that should be prosecuted.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It will always fall on the driver of the vehicle, as it should. I don't care how self driving your car is, it has a steering wheel, an accelerator pedal, and a brake pedal and in the driver seat YOU are responsible with how you operate your vehicle. If u decide to trust a self driving feature that's YOUR mistake. I would love to blame all these crashes on Tesla but the reality is that all these drivers aids and self driving cars having accidents is proof that you should be the one in control of your own vehicle. No crying about how the automotive nannies didn't stop you from crashing the vehicle your driving, take responsibility. Don't like it? Don't trust the "self driving" nonsense (read: glorified advanced cruise control). Now one thing I don't agree with is advertising as self driving, and I strongly believe self driving vehicles in public roadways should be ILLEGAL!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Except the problem here is Tesla is lying about a product to encourage people to use it illegally and unsafely. At some point there's extra deaths to blame solely on tesla's lies.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can you point to one of those lies? Because every time I push the FSD button it says 'keep hands on the wheel be prepared to take over at any time' right there on the screen.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Full Self Driving, the name of the feature is literally a lie. Its used all over in the marketing for the vehicle. Most car companies call comparable features "driving assistance" or "lane control" etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is a significant difference between lane control and FSD. Lane control just keeps you in the lane so you don't have to actively steer. FSD actually drives the car, changes lanes, makes turns, stops for traffic lights and stop signs, navigates intersections, etc. With the current v14, you can get in your car, type in a destination, and then not steer or push the pedals at all and the car will take you to a parking space at your destination. Lane control does not do that. I'm not aware of any other company that does that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Tesla has the highest accident rate per driver for a reason. FSD has routinely plowed into children, emergency vehicles etc. Theres a number of lawsuits against them around the world.

    Other companies have implemented these more limited systems (that often include better sensors such as lidar) not because they can't do it but rather because they are more cautious about brazenly lying to people about the capabilities of their system.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    FSD has routinely plowed into children, emergency vehicles etc.

    You are using this word 'routinely', but I do not think that it means what you think it means.

    Can you give me, say, 10 incidents of this? Of a Tesla confirmed to be on FSD driving full speed into a child, emergency vehicle, etc?

    FSD used to 'routinely' be overly cautious and slow down when not necessary, but I don't think it's driving into things.

    I'd also point out the driver remains responsible for the car and an eye movement camera prevents distracted driving, but I digress.

    Other companies have implemented these more limited systems (that often include better sensors such as lidar) not because they can’t do it but rather because they are more cautious about brazenly lying to people about the capabilities of their system.

    Other companies simply have less capable systems.
    If I go and buy a current product Tesla, I can have it drive me home and chances are I won't have to touch any controls. In a few cases, new production Teslas literally deliver themselves to the new owner's driveway. Can any other automaker say the same?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Dude can we get so much as a copyright violation from Warner Bros on this shit?

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