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[–] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They think AOC’s appeal is that she’s an attractive woman. So, of course, their chauvinistic response to put what they consider an attractive woman out against her.

I can’t tell if it’s just chauvinistic or also a calculated way to keep the conversation about AOC on her looks and away from her policies.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    And that's literally her platform. To be a hater.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    All the fascist Republicans crawling out from every creek there is. And dammit there's a lot of them.
    But it is no wonder, because you've had to be a psychopath for decades to be a Republican, and from psychopath to fascist is not very far.

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  • [+] -40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    both parties are republicans bought by the owner class

    did not see the republican democrat dnc filled with both parties and celebs basically a gala

    and they barred actual democrats out who wanted what the democrats are supposedly for

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No they are not both Republican, but they are both right wing.
    But only one of them is fascist and anti democracy.

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Define fascism, and who won every single county in the 2016 Democrat primary, but lost the state?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

    From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Thanks. What causes fascism? And what about the second question?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)
    1. Good question, how about you tell me what you think causes fascism instead of moving the goalpost with leading questions.

    2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_New_York_Democratic_presidential_primary

    No one won every single county. But Hillary won by 16 points and I guess the New York primary doesn't have an electoral college.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Hmm, sorry. Must've been a brain fart. Meant to ask WV dem primary of 2016. BTW Bernie won every county, but Hillary won the state, because democracy. And the thing that caused fascism in Italy, Germany, and now Israel and America is corporate money in government, aka corruption.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    She is a cancerous attention whore, perfect for today’s GOP

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In retrospect, Sarah Palin wasn’t a terrible person but definitely a harbinger of things to come.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Member when NBC News was like "Let's hire her for millions - she's a serious journalist" and then when everything she did went to shit they were like "hmm. Ok lets' move her to Saturday afternoons . . "

    Goddamned republiQan owned fuckwit corporate traitor idiots.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Is she sadistic enough to hold her own against the big beasts of the party, though? She may be a toxic narcissist, but this is the big league and the performative puppy-killers and AR15 family photo people couldn’t eat her for lunch if she doesn’t bring her game.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    she would get fucking destroyed in fair election against AOC.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    would she though? I can hear everyone from centre left to the far right now saying “I couldn’t vote for AOC she’s just too extreme, we don’t need those far left socialist ideas in our government.”

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I have a friend—a big Bernie guy who talks about how he wouldve been great. He said to me the other day, “AOC can go fuck herself.” I asked why. He said, “she just doesn’t know what people want. She went too far left.”

    Jesus Christ. He’s usually a pretty sound thinker. I have no idea what that is. Maybe just plain old misogyny.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (-1 children)

    I think that might be oversimplifying things. The media have been very effective at promulgating the myth that the left stands for unlimited immigration, soft approach to crime and foreign policy, and generous handouts to lower socioeconomic groups paid for by the state and taxpayers. Fear of the negative consequences of these policies often drives people to vote further right.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Bet. Do it. I’d love to see this.

    Presidential Nominee Kelly + Presidential Nominee Ocasio-Cortez = President Ocasio-Cortez.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I hope you're right, but we thought similar things about Trump since he came down that hideous golden staircase in 2015, and look where we are now

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Trump is a man. He doesn’t have sexism working against him.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Republican women so clearly forgetting their party is misogynist

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    This bitch told Maher that trans was her #1 issue. How is that going to help anyone in America?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Then she discovered how irrelevant she was and started screaming "Look at me!!!" even louder.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Please do go ahead and split the republican vote you fucking trash GOP sycophant.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Hahahahahahhhhaaaahahahahaha

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    One of these days, candidates are going to start running for office “for” something. I’m tired of voting against something.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Good news!

    The current DNC agrees with you, here's him being asked about Mamdani months ago:

    Ken Martin (current DNC chair):

    Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there's a lot of lessons.

    One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can't just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There's no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we're for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.

    And that's really critical. And I think that's one of the lessons from Mamdani's campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.

    I think that's one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they're at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.

    There's a lot to learn from that campaign, and I'm excited to learn more.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani

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  • [+] -33 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    then just stop for all of our sakes stop voting straight ticket just because you like the letter d and enjoy the color blue

    blue is a nice color but fuck

    if everyone in the united states is tired of this horseshit then why are democrats and republicans still getting votes

    y'all must like something they do

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Oh you sweet summer child, Megyn Kelly. You actually believe Trumpie is just going to stop being President.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Sure, do it

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I hear she had blood coming out her . . wherever

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Great!

    The more crowded the republican primary the better.

    trumps going to try and run again, or name a successor. A crowded field of republicans tearing each other down will only help Dems.

    We can manage a cordial primary, they only know how to campaign by saying their opponent is the devil.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd argue that they'd try to out-crazy one another and we'd end up with a psycho. Also, while we'll be cordial in comparison, there's still a lot of infighting on the Democratic side.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I’d argue that they’d try to out-crazy one another and we’d end up with a psycho

    They've been doing that since Palin...

    Also, while we’ll be cordial in comparison, there’s still a lot of infighting on the Democratic side.

    There's neoliberals shitty on everyone that doesn't bend the knee, and progressives complaining about that and saying what neoliberals do hasnt been working for decades. Which neoliberals respond to like how maga responds to valid criticism.

    But the thing is, neoliberals only get far in primaries when they have a biased DNC (state party for down ballot) keeping everyone else down.

    Look at what Ken Martin did in Minnesota for a decade as chair. He has zero bias and won't favor anyone in a primary. That almost always leads to progressives being the front runners in primaries, and then crushing in the general.

    So there'll be a billionaire funded neoliberal.or two on debate stages, and the media will keep saying they're the front runners. But all we got a do is fucking ignore them. We'll have a couple progressives debating the best course of action, and a crazy neoliberal calling everyone socialists like that's a negative.

    Competitive primaries increase turnout for Dems, because it makes people feel invested and gives the candidates a great reading on what Dem voters want in a candidate.

    That is how Martin (and now the DNC) views primaries. Not just as a hoop they need to throw the lifeless corpse of their pick like what happened in recent Dem primaries.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Last dnc was held with republicans not progressives who got locked outside to speech and protest

    democrats are not going to save you just because throw vote away on them their boots are wet enough without you licking

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    dnc was held this year with republicans not progressives who got locked outside to speech and protest

    What do you even think "DNC" is?

    Like, I know there's a huge misunderstanding here, but I'm genuinely curious what the fuck you're even confusing with the DNC right now.

    Like, it's a national organization, you're acting like it's an event like Coachella...

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    two things referred to as dnc

    The Democratic National Convention (DNC) is a series of presidential nominating conventions held every four years since 1832 by the United States Democratic Party.[a]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Convention

    The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is the principal executive leadership board of the United States's Democratic Party. According to the party charter, it has "general responsibility for the affairs of the Democratic Party between National Conventions",[1] and particularly coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office, as well as works to establish a "party brand" and to formulate the party platform.[2] While it provides support for party candidates, it does not have direct authority over elected officials.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

    was talking about the dnc the conventions

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Ok, making progress.

    The convention happened in August of 2024.

    That was run by the DNC chair Biden appointed when he became president in 2020.

    Obviously that chair fucking sucked and was a huge problem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Harrison

    The only reason he got chair, was he was good at getting money from billionaires.

    In February of 2025, the ~400 voting members of the DNC realized how bad that strategy was, and pivoted hard left to Ken Martin. But again, they didn't have any say in 2020, Biden named Harrison back the .

    Being mad at Ken Martin in 2025, for things Jamie Harrison did...

    Is like if October of 2021, you kept blaming Biden for everything trump did during his first term. Because they both hold/held the same title.

    Does any of that help you understand?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's not worth arguing with someone who's sole purpose in life is too me an obtuse twat with that says nothing of value, just negativity for the sake of being edgy and anti establishment. There's no room for logic and reasoning with this one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The new chair also sucks. Listen to the interview Jon Stewart did with him on his podcast. The guy has no direction or vision for the party.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Listen to the interview Jon Stewart did with him on his podcast

    I haven't heard it yet, but probably will look it up.

    The guy has no direction or vision for the party.

    I mean, we can look at how he ran Minnesota for a decade and the results that came with that

    But the single largest thing he's doing now, is literally the largest reinvestment into state parties ever. With extra money going to red/purple states where we can gain House seats and state government positions.

    Those state parties have been running at campaign levels all year, something that was only happening in the 6 months leading up to a general the instantly shuttered the morning after the election.

    It's fucking huge. Especially considered how prior DNC was literally bankrupting the state parties and that's the only reason republicans even had a shot in the House.

    Like, I mean this sincerely and without insult, but:

    The vast majority of people that think Martin and what he's doing isn't enough, just have no idea how bad shit really was at the DNC under Harrison and past neoliberal leadership.

    Martin isn't everything we could ask for, but he's more than enough for what we need.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    All of that is great, but he's ignoring the biggest problem with the democratic party. It's such a "big tent" that it lacks a cohesive vision. That's why only strongly charismatic leaders like Obama are able to do well. Listen to the interview, I completely understand where Martin is coming from and he wants the voters to dictate the direction of the party without putting the thumb of the DNC on the scale. That's great and all, but it also kind of throws out the entire point of the party as a platform and a sort of shorthand for a set of policies. It doesn't surprise me at all that Martin's vision worked at a state level, but how does it work at a national level? Hopefully it works well and certainly it can't be worse that what was previously being done.

    That interview was pretty wild. It was like he was trying to gaslight Jon the entire time. Jon would bring up a point and Martin would respond with a "yes and." However, that "and" would be an elaborate way of saying "actually no."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    That’s great and all, but it also kind of throws out the entire point of the party as a platform and a sort of shorthand for a set of policies

    Only if you think the purpose of the party is how neoliberals weilded it for decades...

    That's not what the party should do, it's not what its for, and a large issue with the current situation is that's how neoliberals used it.

    It doesn’t surprise me at all that Martin’s vision worked at a state level, but how does it work at a national level?

    Because it's easier to run a national party correctly than a state party correctly.

    Like, you're on the right track. There's a shit ton of offices to manage at a state level, but for the DNC they literally just need to run a fair presidential.primary once every 4 years.

    No more, no less.

    That's why Ken's giving all that money back to the state parties. There's literally nothing it can be used for right now, so give it back to the state parties it was stolen from and who need it for midterms.

    I 100% get why it seems like nothing is being done, but that's literally because a DNC operating correctly shouldn't have anything to do.

    They shouldn't be prostelizing policy, they shouldn't be promoting candidates.

    Any attempt to do so, will just result in eventually losing the party to neoliberals again. Because they can play the dirty game better.

    It's gonna take a while for people to get used to it. But its gonna pay off in midterms, and then obviously in the next presidential primary.

    Quick edit:

    Think of it like the Middle East.

    The wealthy consolidated power in the DNC, because it's easier to control a single person with massive power, the DNC chair.

    Martin is undoing all that. Disseminating the "power" (money) back to all the state parties. Which even when he's gone makes it harder for the wealthy to seize control.of the next chair.

    If he kept the power (funds) and tried to weild it for good, it would be easier for a neoliberal to grab.

    We gotta throw the ring into the volcano, we can't turn into Gollum.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    One of these things is not like the other

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who did the work on her jaw? That's fucking backalley chopshop level work there.

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    Her hubris astonishes me.

    Does she not believe that her Dear Leader will rule over America forever?

    And she thinks a woman could do a better job?

    Are we sure she’s still a republican?

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