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Joe Rogan on Trump's mass deportations: "I really thought they were just going to go after the criminals" (www.mediamatters.org)
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[–] 295 points 1 year ago* (72 children)

I always thought he was a dumb media whore, but it turns out that he's stupid for free.

This post is not meant to disparage sex workers, who actually take care of their community

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago*

    Never bothered to listen to him, but a local stand up comedian has probably watched every podcast episode of his, and discussed it quite a bit on his own podcast: Nobody should listen to Rogan. He's an entertainer and that's it. He'll allow anyone on his podcast regardless of beliefs and he tends to either believe or pretend to believe them when they spew conspiracy theories and other bullshit. His political opinions depend on who's been on his show and that's it. Most guests have been right-wing grifters for a long time now, so that's what he believes.

    And that's from a FAN of Joe Rogan.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (38 children)

    They provide sex for people that want it.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Which is good for mental and emotional health

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not sure about their own mental and emotional health though

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The same could be said for working in retail.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Somehow I don't think it's quite on the same level

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Previous research exploring the physical and mental health challenges encountered by sex workers, predominantly focused on particular concerns like human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and sexually transmitted infections (STIs) (8) but also discussed various factors related to mental health such as childhood maltreatment and traumatization (with prevalences ranging up to 56.8%) as well as experiencing violence in this profession (with prevalences ranging up to 69.6% for experiencing physical attacks) (9, 10). Studies exploring the connection between prostitution, a history of childhood sexual abuse, and symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and other stress-related disorders reveal higher prevalences in sex workers compared to control groups (e.g., 26.2% among sex workers vs. 10.3% among the control group for PTSD) (10, 11). Additionally, the high level of violence experienced by sex workers has been linked to mental health issues and was addressed in previous studies, showing, e.g., that individuals who experienced any or combined forms of violence (physical, sexual, verbal) in the workplace are 1.76 times more likely to have depression compared to those who did not experience such violence (12). Research indicates that sex workers encounter violence more frequently than comparison groups before entering SW. Therefore, it is likely that sex workers, like other marginalized groups, exhibit poorer mental health compared to the general population (13–15).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not speaking of the sex worker mental health buddy. It's good for societies. See Europe.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    So you are okay with an underclass of people suffering because you think it might be good for society?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm pretty suffering comes more from social stigma around sex and policies implemented around it creating gray spaces that people use to harm them.

    Example: SESTA FOSTA lead to bans on social media centered around sex workers so their jobs became less safe without networks of people who can distribute warnings about violent johns or track down missing persons.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Would you enjoy doing sex work? Would you enjoy having sex with men that you were not attracted to, and needing to pretend that you enjoyed it? How do you think it would affect your relationship with your body? Put all of the legal stipulations you want for safety, etc, in this scenario. Do you think you wouldn’t experience harm to your mental health?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How would you measure mental health harm? Suicide rate by job?

    Intimate jobs like dentists, doctors and vets have high suicide rates. Jobs that stress people's bodies like construction workers and farm workers have high suicide rates. Jobs with exposure to violence like police and military have high suicide rates. Jobs with high chemical exposure rates like chemists and manufacturing. These kind of jobs have risks. Sex workers tend to deal with the first three.

    Should we start banning jobs based on mental health outcomes? Or should we just make sure whatever jobs people have they are treated with respect and recieve the healthcare they need to function. What we should be doing is making sure such jobs are conducted as safely as possible for everyone involved.

    The supposed "concern" about sex workers mental health without concern for similarly mentally stressful jobs is usually a sign somebody is actually operating from a bad faith position about how sex work is "icky".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Nice assumption. Obviously I’m coming at this from a puritanical point of view. Absolutely none of this has anything to do with the research I shared, or my own experience of survival sex work. I must be a prude.

    I think construction workers, farm workers, and dentists are all, yah know, necessary professions. We have to eat, we have to have places to live, we have to have teeth… There’s no need for sex workers. Ideally, we’d have UBI and the profession wouldn’t even exist. I’m not sure saddling someone with lifelong trauma so someone can get an orgasm is quite the same thing.

    It’s funny how many “leftist” men lose their leftism the second the suggestion that se. work is inherently exploitative and harmful…

    You didn’t answer my question either. You willing to suck a dick for $20?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    The things that drive people to "voluntary" sex work is often the same stuff that everybody with a "voluntary" job contends with: education, rent, food etc.

    I do think an obvious step is making sure those needs are met by society to reduce coercion.

    As for the necessity of jobs, I don't think sex workers, drug dealers or butchers should be jobs that exist, but I would not outlaw those people for practicing jobs that I think shouldn't exist. I don't think those jobs should be illegal.

    Banning sex work does little but create another power imbalance that predators use to exploit sex workers similar to how criminalizing drugs leads to more exploitation.

    As for sucking dicks, I would rather do that than perform surgeries or butcher animals. If folks are only getting $20 bucks for a blowjob that seems criminally low.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Notice at no point I made the argument that sex work should be criminalized. You are arguing against points I haven’t made.

    I don’t believe sex work should be criminalized, although I lean towards the Nordic model of criminalizing the actions of a purchaser. Sex work being criminalized is harmful to the people desperate enough to turn to it, because it adds to stigma which keeps them trapped in the profession and makes them vulnerable to further exploitation by the police.

    My argument is that sex work is inherently harmful. Not that it should be illegal, not that it’s “icky” because sex, but that sex work does psychological damage to the people who resort to it. If one purchases the services of a sex worker, they are participating in a harmful and morally wrong act.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The Nordic model is a good legalization model but if the goal is to reduce exploitation then those exploitative pathways are almost always unmet needs like housing, education, etc. Addressing those is also a necessary step.

    My argument is that a lot of work does psychological damage and that putting sex work in a box that says its uniquely damaging is the way to setup the argument that sex work is need of a unique solution to other exploitation. Which I don't think it is. So you may not have made certain points directly but you've definitely been making arguments that conservatives have used to argue for bans on sex workers or at least exempt them from laws intended to reduce exploitation (SESTA FOSTA being an example of a well meaning law that endangered sex workers)

    If you're arguing that johns should be stigmatized, then I don't disagree. Its also something that seems like a normative position to me. That johns should be stigmatized also a position nobody argued against.

    I do think the stigma that the sex workers recieve themselves for being exploited is also a normative position and that is a more dangerous thing than stigma against johns. Its also a major political obstacle to extending things like housing and social support to sex workers so it seems like an obvious thing people would expect would mention in these discussions and not see as an "argument".

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean I do that too

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And roughly where are you located?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    you bring too dumb to use the correct there/their/they're is just perfect. It puts that extra zing to how dumb you make yourself look.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (22 children)

    Sex workers laid the foundation for so much of nightlife. They also did a ton for trans rights.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Have you ever talked to the old trans sex workers? Some of them enjoyed the work, but plenty were in a position where they could either do sex work or they could not work at all. I knew one lady who uh I don't think had been ok ever since. If you've got the time there's a podcast called Making Gay History, it's the host playing old recordings he made for the book of the same name. You can hear Sylvia Rivera talk about their childhood in their own voice. Our liberation didn't come from sex workers because sex workers are these awesome people, our liberation began with sex workers because that's the only job a lot of people would let a trans person who wasn't stealth or exceptional pre transition do back in the day.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    From my experience as a circus and burlesque performer in nightlife, most safety practices were created by sex workers. They also set the styles that then evolved into drag and burlesque. Sex work is also historically a part of the circus. I owe a lot of what I do to them.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You just made me miss my days photographing the BDSM and alt scene. Some of the most genuinely caring people I ever met who were truly concerned for everyone's happiness and safety.

    I was always torn between my love for preserving these incredible moments and my desire but unwillingness to participate and it became exhausting. Looking back on it, I'm sad that I decided to step away.

    Long story short, I'm eternally grateful to people like you and appreciate your contributions to mental health, safety, community, and the arts.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Feel free to come back. As a leatherwoman we still love good and respectful photographers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Message me if you're ever in south Texas! I love a good reason to get behind a camera, and will often make a deal if given a challenge that's interesting enough.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Not really kink, but look up the three legged dog sideshow. It's a Texas based circus troupe but they travel a lot. Fantastic people. Dan Block in particular is one of my friends and mentors

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    In the latter case it's a correlation not causation situation. When a group of people is disproportionately pushed into either hiding or sex work, then yeah the major pushes for liberation for that group are gonna come from sex workers.

    Idk sex work is a job, no good in trying to make the people doing it into working class heroes. Just because I think their job should be safe and legal and I can find them fun to hang with doesn't make it anything other than that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I wasn't the person you were arguing with. Ime most sex workers are doing it either for desperation or as a side gig that meets their capacity. I almost did it once when I was in a bad spot before deciding I wasn't desperate enough to do sales, and I have an ex who sold nudes before it was cool. In fact I'm pretty sure I tried to make it clear I don't think of them as community heroes and was more agreeing with you, just explaining one of the person you were arguing with's points.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Edit: Odd how so many retards are down voting me for asking a simple question.

    Might not be, but your comment sounds like sealioning. You insulting those who downvoted you—especially with that term—doesn’t help your credibility in claiming it was just a simple question.

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    [–] 112 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    I just don't understand how so many people can say with a plain face "I just didn't think he would do again exactly what he did the first time he was president."

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, I do believe that Joe Rogan is both ignorant and stupid, so…

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lot's of YouTubers play stupid, so that they get better engagement with their public, like saying some wrong things like it was a mishap gives you comments, being a bit dumbish makes people think they can outsmart you etc etc. it's a monetary strategy. IMO.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I call it this as "The Voter's Wager", essentially they believe less bad things will happen than promised, and more good things, because people are too confident in the "politicians just say things sometimes they don't mean".

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I was a little shocked that they used Project 2025 so thoroughly, I though they'd just pull a few key things and try them out at first. Instead they do like half of it in 6 months. It's astonishing for people on both sides, it's definitely not what we're used to. Obama had 8 years and tons of political capital and only got a couple signature initiatives done, nothing like Trump's dozens and dozens.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe part of it is that, as a Queer person, I've been keenly aware of the Heritage Foundation (and similar org.s like Focus on the Family) and following their moves since the 2000s.

    They've been angling for these types of societal changes for decades and, like those who were intent on overturning Roe and were willing to work for it for a near century – slowly peeling off wins until they got it –, I knew they knew this was their moment and they were going to go for all of it, whatever it took to do it.

    I thought we'd nearly buried them and all the homophobic attempts and moves I'd watched them make throughout the previous 2 decades with Obergefell v. Hodges (the Overton window had finally moved in a way that was downright surreal compared to the for-granted and implicit apathy (at best) and disdain of the 2000s and early 2010s) which made the 2024 election particularly existential.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If you were to guess, regarding the Heritage Foundation leaders, what do you think is the main driving forces for their relentless pursuit of the different changes? People can be fanatics and enact changes from the bottom-up, but in the last two decades there's always been a sustained push from the top-down.

    For example, on abortion, I feel like HF leaders are looking for control of women (via increasing risk and punishment for unsanctioned sex) ofc, but my impression is that the ends are for racial purity.

    I'm sure it's multifaceted and inter-related, but basically to what degree do they believe in what they profess for the agenda? Particularly, how much of it do you think it's for capitalistic greed? Like do they expect standard of living to go down? What about for themselves?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Drumpy's not doing those things, he's incapable, and besides, he's got an interior decorating thing going on with his golden office and golden ballroom..... He does however, allow his dick riders and owners to do those things.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But that’s such a backwards way of looking at it. Can they really be that naive? I think similarly: politicians say things they don’t mean all the time.

    However I assume many of them mean the bad things but don’t mean a lot of good things. Politicians can be narcissistic, corrupt, power hungry individuals: of course they’ll promise the moon but deliver what benefits them personally or do the minimum to get themselves reelected. How can you be foolish enough to think the opposite?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Isn't that with every president that gets re-elected? Man 4 more years and he can finally do the thing he promised. 200 drone stikes later: any minute now we have health care. Okay he was golfing quite a lot, but now that's out of his system and he's too old to fuck children, i can soon afford an egg.

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    • [–] 78 points 1 year ago

    If that were true, and I don't believe it is, then you are a moron.

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    [–] 58 points 1 year ago

    Rogan is a fucking tooool who enabled Trump 1 & 2.

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Joe, you have a large platform, and Fuck You money, and can say or do anything that you choose. You could turn your entire listening base back to the light if you felt like it.

    Nice of you to finally acknowledge reality, but you've got a lot more heavy lifting to do. You're not the enemy of my enemy just yet.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not quite.

    Unidentified masked armed thugs snatching people off the street without due process and shipping them off to gulag (sometimes in a completely unrelated country) is wrong even if the people are criminals.

    Criminals also have rights worth protecting.

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    • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    He's just mirroring what his user base is thinking. We might be giving him too much credit with changing people's minds: he just says what his listeners want to hear.

    In 2024, it was all about how Trump was going to restore American men to greatness and power against the encroaching evil of criminal immigrants, feminists, and trans drag queens (???)

    Now the same American men have realized that's a bad look and he's just providing the excuse for why it was okay to support this stuff.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    he just says what his listeners want to hear.

    This has literally always been his schtick. He also constantly agrees with everything his guest say even when they completely contradict each other.

    He's got no actual opinions on anything and never has.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't like Rogan much, but i listened to him pretty regularly long before he moved to Spotify, when he was slightly less of a grifting bullshiter...

    He absolutely does not just agree with his guests. He regularly used to tear into them over bullshit they spouted. Now is he still as principled after all this time? I wouldn't be surprised to find out no he isn't. But he USED to challenge guests pretty often at least.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Same with that Diary of a CEO guy, dude never goes deep in his interviews, never questions an outrageous or unsubstantiated claim of his guests. And this guy has become really popular as well. It’s like people even as a 3rd party listener don’t like to hear criticism or even just critical thinking from an interviewer.

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    • [–] 46 points 1 year ago

    "But, but, you see, once authoritarianism starts creeping in, and it makes some inroads, which it's definitely making right now man."

    The irony of Duncan Trussel saying this while wearing a Palantir hat feels like a top tier psyop. I'm not even conspiratorial but there is no conceivable world where you could be that dense.

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