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[–] 99 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Too damn much for the value it creates.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    AI slop poisoning is value too. The more everything is poisoned by it, the less useful things trained on new data are. The poison spreads in many ways, it's not something that can be removed.

    It's important for prevention of totalitarianism driven by such technologies in the future.

    So I honestly hope it kills the bullshit web and we'll be back to small communities based on personal ties, where the person making the rules is the webmaster you know, not an anonymous moderator or a bot. That's killing two birds with one stone, no downsides whatsoever.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The oil industry must be so giddy to have found a new scape goat out of nowhere.

    Datacenters take a lot of energy because they serve a lot of people. The impact can be lessened with a proper grid centered around renewable.

    There are actual things that are fucking up the planet, individuals using AI, gaming or having a Google account aren't the actual issue.

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    [–] 46 points 1 year ago

    An unholy amount.

    An amount guaranteed to spike climate targets a decade early.

    Stoopid much.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Replace the CEOs with ai or fuck off

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Trying to force the singularity, I see

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No I just wanna see the CEO class reap what they’ve sown.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Could you imagine getting fired by your AI CEO because it hallucinated your name into an AI-generated post mortem of a crash caused by AI-generated code

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    After I put in my notice at a previous employer I was explicitly told by management at the end of the day to not return to work out my notice, my resignation was accepted immediately.

    When I did not come in to work the next day I was fired for a “no call, no show.” It was just one more way to fuck me over on the way out the door.

    If I had the time, resources, and knowledge I could have had a legal case but I was just thankful to be leaving such a toxic hellhole.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Ai is destroying our planet. Stop fucking using it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I read somewhere recently that AI data center open loop water cooling systems drain 100 million liters of freshwater a day and evaporate it away.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Would you mind sharing where you read that?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's so annoying when you try to discuss this because often a gaggle of idiots come out and point, superficially, that water gets recycled into nature. They always ignore the cost of making that water fit for human usage.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I’m not very well read on this so I could very well be off-base, but couldn’t you leverage the heat as a means to desalinate saltwater instead of using freshwater and letting it evaporate into the atmosphere?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    While desalination does need a lot of energy it's dealing with the waste brine that's the bigger problem when actually planning one. You can't just dump it back into the ocean without killing a huge swathe of marine life.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    A problem is that the information is not in the hands of the company selling the AI. The actual hardware is often owned by service providers and independent data centers.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They know exactly what the power consumption of that hardware is though. This isnt tough to figure out just because you use a cloud provider

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can produce a remarkably good estimate by looking at CPU and GPU utilization out of procfs and profiling a handful of similar machines power use with similar utilization and workloads.

    Network is less than 5% of power use for non-GPU loads; probably less for GPU.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sure, you can do that at an aggregate level, but then how do you divide it by customer? And even then, some setups will be more efficient than others, so you'd only get that setup's usage.

    And even if you do that and can narrow it down to a single user and a single prompt, you can still only roughly predict how long it will think and how long the response will be.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    By customer is easy: they're each renting specific resources. A fractional cloud instance (excepting the sma burst able ones) is tied to specific CPUs and GPUs. And there are records of who rented which one when being kept already.

    You might not be able to break out specific individual queries, but computing averages is completely straightforward

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Im sure they can do the simple math of: we pay for x power, we have y customers. x / y would be a rough but probably pretty accurate number if we are talking tens of thousands to millions of customers.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Which means it uses a crazy amount.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So much that now they want to turn nuclear reactors back on. Not because it’s green energy but because it’s free energy for them

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not free, but it's the good part nonetheless - nuclear energy and thus increase in people trained to operate and build nuclear reactors.

    Nuclear energy is, planning-wise, very high quality, you have a lot of control in scaling the output.

    That allows, together with lots of accumulators of various kinds (pumping water up and such), to actually make renewables with uncontrollable output useful.

    Making the average cost of energy better than just that of nuclear.

    So, when Microsoft dies, those reactors and people will be of value.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not to mention, AI itself is a lot of hot air

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If MS is running a nuclear plant…I mean it’s pretty obvious.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Look at that silly Tron-wannabe lighting.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago*

    It's not that complicated. If you buy an old server and put ~1500 GB of ram into it, you can run full deepseek on it, comparable to ChatGPT. It's slow though, like a few words per second. That would be less than 1000 watts of power, only for when you actually use it. That is about 5 square meters of solar panels. Or if we finally make wind power through kites mature it would be about a 2 square meter kite and a winch. Plus some batteries that can be infinitely recycled. With hardware advances hopefully we'll see cheaper and more sustainable ways of running AI.

    We can generate a near infinite amount of power in sustainable ways, the problem at what times, and how inefficient capitalism is in managing resources.

    The question seems to be a drive to regulate access to AI, similar to the "muh copyright" talking points. AI is a resources that ideally they want to monopolize, and regulations that limit who can use it are the standard way of doing that. You can't electrify your own car because of regulations. Thank of the children! So I suspect there is a kind of struggle going on who gets to reap the rewards of using and commercializing AI. I bet it will end up somehow impossible to run your own AI models at home because if IP or energy laws.

    How much energy do gaming PC use? How much energy do playstation and consoles use? How much energy does online gaming use? Social media? Asking this question specifically about AI is suspect.

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