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[–] 91 points 1 year ago (12 children)

They can, yes. It is worth noting that some recipients were convicted for various "crimes" in their home countries, such as the Chinese human rights activist who won it in 2010.

Plus, five words: Henry Fucking War Criminal Kissinger. 1973.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    Can someone please ELI5 the Kissinger hate? The only thing I know about the guy was from parodies of him in cartoons I saw growing up, and I always assumed he was like a Jewish Ghandi.

    Edit: God damn. It feels like everyone back then really tried to ignore all this, when looking back through the lens of time and how media portrayed the man. Even Futurama showed him as a peaceful negotiator type somewhat divorced from the horrors of what was happening in the episode he was featured in (the one where Fry and Bender join the army for gum and get sent to fight balls). 😳

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    He was basically in charge of the Cambodian bombing campaign, calling out which targets were to be bombed without much of any intelligence indicating that it was a valid military target. Surprise: They were mostly civilian villages.

    Also, he was closely tied to the Johnson administration, unofficialoy dealing with stuff pertaining to Vietnam. And suddenly he was offered a position in the Nixon administration right after. While not proven there are a lot of suspicious indicators that he may have intentionally botched the peace negotiations in Vietnam in an effort to give Johnson poor standing before the election so that Nixon could be the one ending the war. In other words; If true he intentionally prolonged the war in return for a position in the Nixon cabinet.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    johnson straight up said what nixon was doing was treason.

    then they used the same tricks in 79 to get reagan elected in 80.

    then bush got helped into office by clarence thomas' wife.

    and apparently there aren't consequences if you're a republican, it's like they can keep breaking the law every few years, what's a bit of treason, pfft.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Similar to how Trump gave the go ahead for Putin to invade Ukraine if he lost the 2020 election, and how Republicans intentionally helped build up aid for Israel after they allowed Oct 7th to happen, so that Israel can carry out genocide. Then they could use that to say "see Democrats aren't doing enough to help!"

    I think it was Steve Bannon who has the tattoo of Nixon on his back. These are exactly the tactics that Trump and MAGAts are using the same play book against Americans

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Maybe closer to the nuke-wielding Gandhi from the Civilization games than the real one...

    The views on him are mixed depending on exactly what lines you think can reasonably be crossed for the sake of protecting America's interests.

    In Kissinger's tenure as Secretary of State, there were very few lines that he considered uncrossable - extending into tacit endorsement of actions that are accurately classed as war crimes.

    The carpet-bombing of Cambodia, the peacetime kidnapping and murder of a Chilean general, actual military support for a genocide campaign in what is now Bangladesh - all this and more.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I lost what little faith I had in the Nobel Peace Prize when Obama won it — and I liked Barack Obama, I voted for him both times, but I didn't think "up and coming politician"/"first Black president" really qualified him, and the general feeling around the time was "well we hope he does good for peace in the world." So... you give him a prize that is probably better suited to someone else, hoping he does what you want in the future?

    Regarding Trump being a felon, I'm more concerned that we don't let felons vote, but we'll let a felon be president. Make that make sense.

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    If people like Obama and Kissinger can win a Nobel Peace Prize, the prize is meaningless.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Obama got it before the drone bombings. It was more of a hope kinda thing but the hope didn't turn out that great. And really just indirectly led us to vaguely gesture around

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Obama not fighting for his Supreme Court appointment is a lot more than indirectly responsible for all of this. He abdicated his duty to execute the office and fucked us all in doing so.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Look, I'm not going to say Obama is blameless, but come on man. You're kind of victim blaming here.

    Mitch McConnell and the GOP are responsible.

    Also, sure, Merrick Garland would have been better than what we ended up with, but how much better really? We all saw how Garland handled Jan 6 and Trump as AG.

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  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They're supposed to not qualify for high office either so probably these days. Asking for a friend?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In the US at least, the constitutional requirements for being elected to the presidency do not prevent felons from being elected, and there are good arguments for this. A weaponized judicial system can be used to oust or prevent political opponents from gaining the presidency.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Considering the reason why the prize exist at all was to help Nobel with his guilt over the invention of dynamite. Pretty much anyone can get the prize.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ao you’re saying if they feel guilty about rape they can get the prize?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    No. Not at all. I'm saying you can be a complete piece of shit and get one. It was nobel who felt the guilt. I didn't say anything about those who get them. Didn't mention rape at all. Don't reason in advance of your data.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    The Nobel prize itself was created to downplay atrocities for fame, so yes, you can get it no matter what.

    It's fulfilling it's goal.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Yes

    It's not very different from John bonomassa being named best guitarist by rolling stone

    Who?

    Exactly.

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  • Can? Sure. Should? No.

    It's worthwhile remembering though that the people who get it aren't all saints. Although rape and sexual assault are particularly distasteful items to have on the resume, if the person repented and then contributed meaningfully to lasting world peace, they shouldn't automatically be stricken off the list.

    So those admittedly distastefully liberal guidelines should exclude any current resident of the White House then.

    I think they should ignore any person who is so publicly thirsty for it. It's a prize you get, not one you ask for.

    It's unnerving having to read that the US ally Norway feels like they need to prepare for retaliatory tariff action if the independent committee for the award, that only ended up in Oslo by a quirk of Scandinavian history, doesn't award the prize to 47. Sad.

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  • Asking for a friend

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    of course they can, Nelson Mandela won one, and he was famous for his time in prison

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I think the point you might have missed is, a conviction shouldn't exclude you from receiving a prize, because you may have been convicted by a corrupt court.

    I'm not saying Trump was wrongly convicted, just that a conviction shouldn't exclude you in and of itself.

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  • Want to go take a deep breath, realign your chakras and reread OPs comment?

    ‘Cause I literally replied with a convicted felon (Nelson Mandela) that was awarded the Nobel peace prize

    Would it be easier if I provided another example? Liu Xiaobo was in a jail cell when he was awarded the Nobel peace prize

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    There are no qualifiers for the person being nominated. As long as someone who qualifies as a nominator nominates them. The nominator will not be revealed until at least 50 years have passed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It's the reason a felon can take office in the government. Otherwise, it would be easy to "convict" someone you considered a threat.

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