"I believe that people deserve to spend more time with their families, loved ones, hobbies and other aspects of life, such as culture. This could be the next step for us in working life," the prime minister commented on the new proposal.

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[–] 20 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

Note to self: move to finland

Edit: where I live they also introduced a 4 day workweek. You do your 40h in 4 days instead of 5 and now you have an extra day a week ( to recover from all that overtime ).

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  • This is the flipside of workers not getting the value of increased productivity over the last 40 years. Yes, we could be getting paid more, but we could (alternatively or also) be working a lot less to produce the same economic output as our parents did.

    Unfortunately, this is something only a country that already has social safety nets and livable wages can even propose, because if we're all kept to subsistence, we'll work more anyway (because we have to).

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    That's it, I'm moving to Finland

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    24h 4 day work week sounds very, very enticing but snow is my biggest opp here

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I hate heat. Hate it. Better to add layers than to sweat half of the year whenever you step outside. Finland, accept me!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I'm sad to announce that climate change has arrived here too.

    But for the guy bothered by snow, great news, winters in the southern Finland, especially in the coast, have mostly turned to just a 5 month long wet and windy autumns instead!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, with that Atlantic current dying down, Europe might not have to worry about things getting warmer for much longer. Scandinavia especially might get quite a bit colder, like comparable to northern Canada.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did she push for this when she was prime minister?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That's the right direction but it needs to make sure that the wages stay the same, otherwise everything becomes a part-time job and people are forced to find an additional job to get to their original earnings.

    Either way, we need Universal Basic Income

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    4 days work week with 10 hours per working day is reasonable, I will take it anytime.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    So is a 4 day work week with 8 hours per working day.

    I honestly think a lot of hours we spend working are spent "working." I know my, and my colleagues, 40 hour weeks certainly are less than 40 hours but I also don't get paid enough so I think it's a fair trade off.

    I do get my shit done though and work late if I have to so it isn't like I'm screwing anyone.

    Seriously though I think we need to accept that we just don't need the standard to be 40 hours of labor as the expected time. We arrived at it artificially and can just as easily walk away from that and into a brighter future with less work and more time with our family and friends. I'm sure we would even see productivity gains as folks are happier and healthier.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    An interesting idea from Finland here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    She's so hot right now

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I for one want to spend less time with my family.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s equally valid of course, but unless you mean your birth family and not your own, the more appropriate and commendable route would be to remove yourself from the wrong family situation and figure out a new, working, one. It’s no benefit to anyone, least to yourself, if it’s not working out. Everyone will be happier for it ultimately, even if it requires some tough choices and a whole bunch of compromises, adaptation and potential heartbreak in the short term.

    I mean the same is true for birth family too, but at least there it doesn’t matter as much, since often the first priority and the more day-to-day impactful one will be your own immediate family, so you can simply minimize the need to ever interact with them.

    And there’s the moral implication, that you didn’t choose your birth family. But you did choose your own immediate family. So there’s a responsibility there in the latter that isn’t present in the former.

    Unless the situation is that you didn’t choose your immediate family either. If it’s not working out, it’s even more of a reason to figure out a way out.

    Unless there’s no way out. In which case, and only in this case, your sentiment seems agreeable and hopefully the situation doesn’t last. And if it does, hopefully you get as much time off as possible.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Is that the one with all the scandals that more or less amount to this?

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    1-size NEVER fits all:

    Neither legislating a 60h workweek, nor a 40h workweek, nor a 6d workweek, nor a 4d workweek, CAN fit all diverse kinds of people.

    Some are unhappy when NOT working all the time!

    Many autistic workaholics would need2 jobs, to be happy in her idea of good, but it wouldn't ever work right ( 8d work every 7d week??

    There NEEDS to be some way for there to be 2 categories of employees: workaholics & humans,

    & the measured higher social-support ( including late-life health-care ) amplification for the workaholics obliges a higher tax-rate for companies employing those, in proportion with the percentage of 'em working that way.

    ( I'd be in the workaholics category, not in the "family" category, just so you understand I'm deeming my own category to be more-costly to social-support systems.

    But the Industrial Revolution was on us, not on the family-people.

    We are the blockheads who keep bashing-away at making technology work right, see? )

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Overtime exists. You'll just get paid more if you work 60h. If your employer allows you to work that much.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sorry, my point is that there are fundamentally-different-motivations, & that fundamentally-different-motivations have to be treated differently, legally .. exactly the same as people-without-family can probably work significantly more hours per week than can people-with-children-to-care-for.

    It isn't a question of just putting overtime above 40h/week, it is a question of having 2 distinct populations in the same workforce, & you don't make the law ignore 1 of them, not the with-family people, AND not the without-family people.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You may not know this..

    Many businesses put employee overtime hours "in the bank", so they never pay overtime: they just provide you with regular-pay when you're on holiday.

    Illegal, but with bribed gov't, it'll never be stopped.

    Other employers just disallow the extra-hours.

    It's common enough..

    "aren't you feeling lucky to be employed??"

    is a significant threat, in some job-markets..

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    The idea is to place an upper limit on corps for the definition of a full time work week. If you want to work more, go ahead, but your employer shouldn't be able to compel you to work past that max number of hours in return for benefits. It's tricky because there's a legal component and a cultural component to it. Also some businesses will push back (especially service industry) because they will need to change their whole hiring and scheduling.

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago*

    four-day workweek of six hours a day.

    If I condensed my work into 4x6 I might actually be working most of the time I’m at work instead of scrolling Lemmy aimlessly

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So she’s saying that the work week should

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    Finnish early

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Reminds me of a thing from work that I think about pretty often.

    I worked someplace that prided itself on being "data driven". They put stuff on the company tshirts like "Data > Feelings". Real pretentious shit, but they seemed to pride themselves on making reasonable decisions based on facts and evidence. They'd made fun of other companies for doing stuff based on the whims of CEOs.

    One of the many articles came out about 4 day workweeks being beneficial for everyone involved. At one of the company meetings, someone brought it up and asked the CEO if we could look into it. He just said, "We're not doing that." Didn't ask to read the article. Didn't look at data. No discussion. Just a snap decision: no.

    People are emotional creatures and many of them are stupid, too. Stupid and spiteful.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I should move to Finland

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Finland seems like a reasonable country. Every now and then there are some good ideas from them in the news. Maybe time to learn Finnish and move.

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hate to be Nancy Negative, but it doesn't matter much that the former Pm says this. If the current pm said it, then it would be newsworthy. I also dislike kittens, rainbows and responses based on wishful thinking.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You commie donkey, they will protest more

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