cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/post/533816

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CNN asked Miller whether the Trump Administration will abide by a district judge’s order blocking the Guard’s deployment in Oregon. “Well, the Administration filed an appeal this morning with the Ninth Circuit,” Miller began. “I would note the Administration won an identical case in the Ninth Circuit just a few months ago with respect to the federalizing of the California National Guard.”

Then, Miller said: “Under Title 10 of the U.S. Code, the President has plenary authority, has—” before making an abrupt stop. Miller blinked several times, with anchor Boris Sanchez calling out his name, though he still did not respond.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenary_power

A plenary power or plenary authority is a complete and absolute power to take action on a particular issue, with no limitations.

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[–] 183 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not a glitch, this is how they introduce these ideas and shift the Overton window more right.

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  • [+] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 181 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    CNN edited their YouTube clip of the interview and removed the part in question. Someone on Reddit clipped it though: https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1o0x5ib/miller_glitches_while_falsely_claiming_title_10/

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    CNN is state media. It cannot be trusted.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Apparently Reddit is working hard to try to scrub that off their site as well. The boot licking continues.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't know how to download videos off Reddit. Hope someone grabs it.

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  • [–] 152 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    So I looked it up and title 10 is all the rules that govern the US armed forces. The president of the United States can trivially be shown to not have plenary authority by the simple fact that the constitution exists. That is in fact the entire point of the constitution, it ensures nobody in the United States has plenary authority. Even title 10 disproves that as it sets out the rules that US armed forces must operate under.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The constitution is a social contract. Since such a contract can serve as the basis for all society, then the legitimacy of all contractual obligations are linked to the legitimacy of this one, that ensure we have rights and freedom in order to enter into contractual obligations.

    Since the representatives of the state founded on the constitution have broken the social contract, then all contracts are null and void.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Isn't law just a social contract then‽

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Law is a human invented word in the English language. It can describe many things. One is natural law or the laws of physics. These laws have nothing to do with a social contract.

    We can formulate socially governing laws derived from natural laws confirmed by mathematics. Those laws would be more reliable.

    Ultimately, any laws governing human society are reliant on people subscribing to said laws. If a cohort decides not to follow those laws, then they cannot expect to benefit from them.

    That sort of relationship has yet to be properly formalized and has a significant lag time.

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  • [–] 113 points 1 year ago

    Suspicion? This has been the goal of right wing and conservative think tanks for decades now. The end goal of conservatism is monarchy. "Plenary Authority" is just a fancy way of saying "The King can do anything he wants".

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It took that for someone to become "suspicious" of the Trump Administration while Trump has been talking about dictatorship for years now ... what a joke.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    He’s saying Trump is the Fuhrer

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    ITT : Lots of very suspect defense of nazis.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Right?! Fuck these Nazis, and fuck you if you have any sympathy for them, you're fucking evil too

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  • [+] -38 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, they're humans making nazi decisions, fuck em

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  • [+] -31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I hope someone is planning to spin up a new House Un-American Activities Committee to deal with these shit stains when this is all over.

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  • [–] 207 points 1 year ago (52 children)

    The executive is a co-equal branch of government. We don't do kings here. We kill kings.

    We also kill Nazis. Per long tradition. We don't debate them. We don't platform them. Nazis are guilt free kills. Don't even count as human.

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  • [–] 176 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    We have never killed kings here. We also stayed out of Nazi affairs for many years. The sentiment is nice, but more than misleading. You got weird history books anon

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Maybe he meant Martin Luther King?

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  • [–] 107 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not only that, but we also support most dictatorships around the world, we fund genocide, overthrow democratically elected governments, and assassinate people like Lincoln, JFK, & MLK.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    Don't even count as human.

    ... People can be evil (and even deserve execution) without dehumanizing them. You know, the exact thing we hate them for doing?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People calling you a nazi sympathizer don't know that most people who actively participated as members of the German nazi party were 'normal' people. They lived normal lives, followed the law, and existed in normal society. In reality, most people supporting our current nazi problems will need to be deprogrammed and forcibly pulled back into an accepting society. Its what happened in Germany, not many nazis were charged with crimes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Similar shit happened in Indonesia after the genocide. People had to go back to being neighbours with somewhat typical people who were former state sanctioned serial killers and enablers. Germany tried to deprogram the youth in the '50s, but yeah. Didn’t stick, for various reasons. Harsh reality.

    Still, no society has recovered from fascist or similar regimes without at least some targeted pruning of the tree of life. Putin SHOULD obsess about what happened to Gaddafi and the like. Society has to remember or, well, here we are again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nah, Nazis are inhuman garbage

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Nazis are human garbage.

    As humans, they have human rights... But they also should be punished for their violations of human rights. The law, as it currently stands, is not fulfilling its purpose of punishing bad actions. Thus, it is up to us to punish them.

    Punch a Nazi today!

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're defending nazis right now. Reflect on that. Be better.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A lazy and false statement that even the slightest of thought rips into a million little pieces. You're advocating for conditional dehumanization. Something that actually should provoke reflection.

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  • [+] -61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    From my interactions with leftists, they think that the Nazis' only crime was wearing the wrong uniform. The oppression, tyranny and murder? Totally okay. They were just wearing the wrong symbols while they did it.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The comment at the top of this thread that encouraged the exact same kind of dehumanization and murder that the Nazis based their movement on? Can you not read?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I have no clue what you're talking about but I'm sick of people grouping others together and then raging about groupthink that doesn't even necessarily exist.

    I group together those espousing a particular sentiment and that makes sense to me. They told me what they believe.

    It's another totally pointless shitty waste of time to say "-ists are all [horrible thing]!!"

    Fuck that shit.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    We don't do kings here. We kill kings.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Literally never killed a king in their history. The closest they got was killing aboriginal chieftains. Muricans just got salty because the King of England refused to let them colonize the native tribes in the great lakes region (which the crown had declared a self-governing protectorate). Americans declared a revolution and cloaked it in jingoistic hoopla about liberty. They also tried (and failed) to enlist Quebec to join them.

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    Broken clock, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Proclamation_of_1763

    [Historians] have argued that colonial resentment of the proclamation contributed to the growing divide between the colonies and the mother country. Some historians say that even though the boundary was pushed west in subsequent treaties, the British government refused to permit new colonial settlements for fear of instigating a war with Native Americans, which angered colonial land speculators.

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  • [+] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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    "our country is too big and no one is leading us"

    That's it. That's the reason. According to Americans on Lemmy/PieFed/Mastodon/Reddit is the drive to DC is too long. Regardless of where you live. Live in New York? it's a long drive. California? it's a very long drive. Maryland? way too long. Also unlike other countries Americans need a schedule and a specific time and date to do it. Other countries will just hit the streets with no planning, no times or dates, they just know something bad is happening and will leave their homes and protest. Americans don't do that. they NEED someone else to organize for them to tell them something bad is happening and to let everyone know about it on this specific date,at this specific time and to please register online to confirm your attendance.

    The actual answer? deep down, the vast majority of americans simply don't care.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    And don't forget, the "doing something" has to be fun and entertaining and kid-friendly and there needs to be a convenient Starbucks nearby. Warm & sunny too, because who wants to be uncomfortable outside "doing something?"

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The intolerance will be met with equal intolerance.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Indeed, America accepted thousands of Nazis with open arms, from Germany after the second world war. That worked out well.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Tbf they made some damn good rockets once you got them to shut up about the whole antisemitism thing.

    The US probably wouldnt have made it to the moon without having them. History is far more complex and nuanced than we often make it out to be

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  • The French killed kings and nazis. The British killed kings and nazis. The Polish killed kings and nazis. The Russian killed kings and nazis. And replaced their king with fucking Stalin. The Canadians rebelled and won against a king(winning the right to create their own government) and killed nazis. (You get the idea)

    The US was tricked by their upper class into rebelling, and then replaced the king with a pseudo-king. The US started WW2 helping the Nazis

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nazis are certainly human. Not disagreing with the rest of your statements but denying reality doesn't help anything.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Chat, is this AI?

    And by that I mean Miller himself. Is he a robit.

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