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[–] 39 points 1 year ago

If you only have one copy, you have zero copies.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Another cautionary tale for 3-2-1

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If the data is "irreplaceable", you shouldn't keep only a single copy of it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    30 years of data and no backup system, sheesh.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Apples and Googles and Microsofts of the world are all about offering cloud services to hold your precious data, for what is essentially "free" to the end user. Push you into their services with dark patterns, make it a pain in the ass to do without them, join the cloud, it's awesome.

    Unfortunately all that comes with a catch - when automated services fail, and self-service solutions fail to resolve it, you have zero chance or ability to contact a real live human who can apply reason and judgement to sort out the issue. You and all your data are basically fucked at that point.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Hate to victim blame, but what a moron. Microsoft is definitely at fault here, but so is this guy.

    He "moved" the data to OneDrive. Why the fuck would anyone do that? He wants to migrate to a new larger drive, but why did he feel the need to delete stuff before verifying that his data has safely been migrated to the new drive? A single drive to store anything important is very dangerous in itself, but this is a different level of stupidity.

    I had few TB migration at the start of this year. I vehemently follow the 3-2-1 rule for anything important. (I actually do more copies than that for personal photos and documents.) But I still have the old disks just in case. I can't fathom doing something like this. Maybe I'm overreacting, but ffs it's stupid.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I was consolidating data from multiple old drives before a major move—drives I had to discard due to space and relocation constraints. The plan was simple: upload to OneDrive, then transfer to a new drive later.

    I'm assuming that the reason that he didn't just do the transfer to a new drive instead of to OneDrive (which seems like it'd be more-straightforward) is because the new drive was going to also be a system disk, not just hold his data.

    I think that it would have been a good idea to get a second new drive and have done that transfer just so that there's a backup. I mean, it doesn't really sound like the user was planning to wind up with a backup of his data, or for that matter, that he had a backup to start with.

    Maybe OneDrive locking the account was unexpected, but drives can fail or be inadvertently erased or whatever. If you've got thirty years of irreplaceable data that you really badly want to keep, I'd want to have more than one copy of it. The cost of a drive to store it is not large compared to the cost involved in producing said data.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have two drives in my tower that are just for my data. They are just folders of files. And there are two because I lost a chunk of data when the single drive it used to be died. Luckily most of it was also elsewhere, but I did think I had lost half of my wedding photos since I couldnt find the flash drive.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If you had the wedding photos in question professionally taken, it might be that the photographer, if they're still around, might have copies. I don't know whether they retain copies, but I suppose asking can't hurt.

    This place says up to a year:

    https://www.wanderlustportraits.com/how-long-photographers-keep-photos/

    Photographers typically keep photos of their clients for a minimum of 90 days and up to a full year as part of standard practice; however, if this is important to you, review the contract and ask your professional.

    This guy says forever:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/WeddingPhotography/comments/96ckow/how_long_do_you_hold_on_past_wedding_photos/

    I keep ALL files on two 16tb drives drives. Those drives never get wiped and I will always keep two copies even when they fill up. One internal on sata for reference and one off site. When I first started shouting, I was cheap and deleted RAWs and just kept high res jpegs. I have clients coming back for albums and I am stuck re-editing the jpegs to match in the albums. Lesson learned. If you do want to consolidate, then keep the RAWs of the editor we jpegs and delete the unused. But that’s more hassle than the cost to store unused raws. You can also rely on cloud source but you never know if you’ll ever switch cloud servers or move onto another business on want to stop paying cloud fees. For the high volume photographers it becomes wise to invest in tape drives. HDD have lives of 10 years. So eventually all those old drives will need to be transferred to newer drives. Budget this into your bottom line

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your data in the cloud should be at best being another backup, in addition to your local backup you do regularly. And even that is a stretch, because those companies can analyze your data on the cloud too. Man, people have so much trust in companies like Microsoft.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    a USB stick is enough

    No, it’s really not. In addition to failing abruptly and often unpredictably, flash based media will suffer from bit rot when left unpowered for extended periods of time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    you don't need the whole usb drive to fail. It's enough if a sector or two went corrupt, and you won't be able to open (or even see) a directory, or copying a file will stop in the middle. maybe files disappear too, and then at best they get recovered to FOUND.001 or such directory without path and name, maybe also just partially, or interleaved with other lost or deleted files' fragments

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    once I noticed failures on my ventoy pendrive because a specific bootable system had unexpected bugs each time I booted it. after I have rewritten it from backup, it was working fine again.

    but bitrot works this way not just on pendrives, but SSDs and HDDs too. the system won't know unless it tries to read the file. SMART selftests may help. but even then, what good it is if it does not let you know actively?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    in the span of a single month is next to zero

    It's much higher than zero, if let's say your ssd goes kaput & you try moving everything at once to a new one. That action by itself comes with risk, especially if the usb stick is very large & manufactured after covid. There is also the bit rot issue, usb sticks are useless as backup solutions for any use case, it's just a false sense of security.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    This is why I run my own NextCloud instance that backs up locally and via offsite rotation.

    Sure, I could still lose it all, but it would be 100% my own fault if I did.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Remember that cloud backups is the last location, the 1 in 3-2-1. You should have two local copies already on top of your cloud copy

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do mirrored drives in a computer count as 1 or 2 locations? It's physically 2 locations, but kinda act as one for most software type issues.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In a raid? No. A drive that has an application copy it every night or something? Yes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I believe i have them in a RAID right now. At least I still meet 3-2-1 for important stuff since I have those drives in my computer, various flash drives, an external hard drive, and a cloud spot.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    RAID definitely does not count as part of your backup, it's a helpful thing, but the entire array can fail. You still need minimum 2 other copies of your data to be considered safe

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Another one to the list:

    Google Flagged Parents’ Photos of Sick Children as Sexual Abuse

    Google uses Microsoft’s PhotoDNA screening algorithm

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This happened to me a few years ago (W10) with OneDrive but I had another copy and gave up quickly trying to engage with MS.

    I use Lunix Mint now anyway, that was another reason for moving from Windows at the time.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Lol, people pay for these subscriptions for years only to find out they can't even use them. Reminds me of employees that spend years being loyal only to find out their employers don't give a shit about them.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    The OneDrive subreddit was a riot with users complaining about lost data and nerds answering with "achually you don't know how to use it!"

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It took a lot of work, but I pulled everything I could find down from cloud storage providers and started hosting my stuff locally.

    It’s nowhere near as convenient or intuitive, but goddamn if these stories don’t keep popping up everywhere. If you don’t physically have your data in hand, consider it lost. It could be gone at any moment for any reason. If you’re hosting your stuff in the cloud, do yourself a favor and at least back your stuff up locally on top of that, but my honest recommendation is to ditch these companies completely and invest in learning how to host your stuff locally.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is why I have over 6k photos and videos still on my phone, even though they’re also on iCloud. But you’ve got the right idea. Once I buy me a NAS, I’m doing the same damn thing!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It kills me to see people losing their stuff. Where are their backups, for crying out loud!!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    9/10 people I saw in the store when I worked retail repairing phones never setup any sort of backup for their photos. Never plugged it into their computer never setup Google Photos or iCloud photo backup, nothing.

    99% of those phones with issues were out of storage space because the phone was filled with pictures that existed nowhere else.

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    The only photos I backup are my certificates.
    Rest are non-essential and don't deserve more than one copy.

    I recently lost quite a few videos, moving a partition to the left and it didn't matter enough for me to consider backing them up next time.

    The source codes I make however, apart from having them on gitlab, I am also considering keeping a separate drive to store them.
    With patches to other projects, stored as diffs instead of storing the whole project.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Never trust microsoft with anything important. Ever.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Jokes on them, I've got way too much illegal shit to just hand it to the cloud. Local storage ftw.

    Err... that's a joke, of course, haha ha.

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    And this is why I have never used OneDrive.

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  • Garenteed they uploaded something unsavoury in all that data. That is like the only way to get your account instantly closed by uploading files.

    Saw a YouTuber recently have the same issue after they uploaded a WhatsApp chat dump to google drive to share it with a translator for story. Turns out there was stuff in it that got the Google account blocked, which included the channel.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    They should've got a big SSD instead. Shitty!

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