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[–] 175 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The city I work in installed Flock cameras. City Council was clear they were only to be used to flag license plates for active felony warrants, silver alerts, and Amber alerts.

In less than 48 hours they were using them to give out tickets and track people who had turned in Open Records requests regarding the police department.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I’ve heard of Amber alerts for lost kids but are silver alerts for lost older folk?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yup. In California we even segregate the alerts based on race for some fucking reason. Black people don’t get the same normal alert that every other ethnicity gets, they get an EbOnY aLeRt.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    this is the first time I've seen someone use that term

    I like it. keep it up

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Damn there are a couple in my tiny rural town, they appear to be high up though.

    Anyone have tips or ideas about how to disable or destroy them?

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Neat map that compiles how many weekly contributions are made around the US to the deflock map

    https://alprwatch.org/flock/map

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I feel that this should be the biggest issue in US national news. And although I do not consume much main stream news I have only ever seen blogs and small circulation articles on the issue. Like how can any one on either aide of the political divide be ok with shit?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is good traction on the federal lawsuit in Norfolk. Your absolutely right this is a bipartisan issue. It will set huge precident if IJ wins the case. At the very least, LEO needs warrants to use the system. Right now it's the wild west.

    IJ posts updates of the case here. They have already tried to derail the lawsuit multiple times but they have been able to push through all the appeals thus far so it can actual go to a jury trial.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because Trump supporters will say, "I don't do anything wrong so it doesn't matter, it'll only catch libruls"

    And Trump administration people will say, "Well they won't use it on me ever and we can use it to inflict maximum suffering on our enemies"

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  • Most Democrats will and have said the same thing.

    Oddly... Trump admin people know better than that... but I'm not expecting them to actually do anything differently than what you suggest. Probably both are already captured by whatever data has already been found on them.

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  • several reasons:

    they both think they're in control of it... but mostly because the people funding most of them (same people) are telling them not to.. often in the form of police unions and relevant organizations

    any party large enough to win anything is going to be mostly co-opted... you gotta vote for individuals... not parties.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Watch the Louis Rossmann thing in the Austin hearing... the mayor of whothefuckever he is actively out-of-ordered anyone mentioning those cameras... except the representatives of the company that makes them, who got to speak, twice, uninterrupted.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    These also have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. I'm convinced that they also connect mac addresses of your devices to determine who is driving. I also suspect that they use facial recognition when possible.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The facial recognition would be done by whoever they send footage to.

    Wouldn't be shocked about the hardware addresses though.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    so much for the fourth amendment

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I'm so glad this is slowly getting more solid traction. For more viewing and reading pleasures on the topic,

    Videos:

    Breaking The Creepy AI in Police Cameras - Benn Jordan

    Breaks down the technology and deployment of the systems. Builds his own and shows strategies to beat the analysis of your data.

    Austin City Council is playing games & I've had enough. - Louis Rossmann

    Liveview's facial recognition discussed in person with sales director.

    Citizens address Austin Mayor on AI Surveillence cameras; AS EXPECTED on September 25th part 1

    Louis Rossmann attempted to address the surveillance systems in his local town, couple of other videos on his channel showing the hurdles and bureaucracy that's making it harder to address these situations.

    Everyone Should Ask Their City Council About This... - The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder

    Another video detailing ALRP's (automatic license plate readers/flock safety systems) and their uses in local and interstate areas

    EFF Members' Speakeasy: Police Surveillance and ALPR - The Electronic Frontier Foundation


    Articles:

    Data Driven: What Is ALPR? - The Electronic Frontier Foundation

    Lots of articles listed in here, one of the major groups trying to spread information on these programs.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    There's a few in a town nearby, owned by the city, looking at a roadway. Then there's three, with no owner information, all looking into a Lowe's parking lot.

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  • I found this to be the most interesting part:

    You might think this sounds like it violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects American citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures without probable cause. Well, so does the American Civil Liberties Union. Norfolk, Virginia Judge Jamilah LeCruise also agrees, and in 2024 she ruled that plate-reader data obtained without a search warrant couldn't be used against a defendant in a robbery case.

    Last time I read about this issue was before this happened. Finally the ball is bouncing back a little. Hope to see more of it.

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