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[–] 197 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Problem is that when they see "love they neighbor" they look around and only see straight white folks, so they assume everyone else is excluded for some reason

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  • [–] 112 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    When I was in Sunday School, we were given a strict (Catholic Catechism) definition: Your neighbor is anyone you meet. It doesn't even specify any "human." My mom always brought home that point whenever animal cruelty was discussed.

    Of course, my parents who taught me that lesson are still Catholic and yet super proud of my identity. Very chill with my trans spouse. Even marched with me at a local pride event.

    Maybe they're the exception but "love thy neighbor" does still have tangible meaning to some folks.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Race science was created specifically so that they could see non-white people as non-people. This was done so that Christians could (just barely) hold onto their belief system while committing all of the atrocities of the colonial era.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I actually just happened to be reading a relevant part of Lies My Teacher Told Me that quotes Montesquieu (French philosopher who influenced the US founding fathers):

    It is impossible for us to suppose these creatures to be men, because, allowing them to be men, a suspicion would follow that we ourselves are not Christian.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    It was a racial clause from the beginning. -The word wasn't needed otherwise. -Same as the sexual clause 'neighbour's wife' instead of 'spouse'.

    And context supports that:

    'Think not that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets', 'Do not go among the Gentiles', 'I have come only for the lost sheep of Israel', 'it is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to the dogs'.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Strange, because Leviticus says

    You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt:

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sojourn: "short stay, temporary residence". -That's if they aren't subject to the OTs calls for genocide: Deuteronomy 20:16-17, Joshua 6:21, 1 Samuel 15:3, Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 2:34, 1 Samuel 15:18, Judges 21:10, 2 Kings 10:7. or appointed to slavery: Leviticus 25: 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Jesus didn't give a shit about the old testament. Neither should anybody else. It's like the whole point of the gospels...

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I mean the Bible is pretty clear on this. In response to the question, "who is my neighbour," Jesus answered with the parable of the Good Samaritan. In Christianity, everyone is your neighbour.

    In Judaism there was a lot of debate about it historically and I don't know where things stand now.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In Judaism there was a lot of debate about it historically and I don’t know where things stand now.

    Jews are cool with their neighbors. Zios are genocidal. It's not that complicated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Given that the phrase "love your neighbour" comes from the Torah, it is at least 2500 years old, predating what you mean by Zionism by millenia.

    This was a poor excuse to shoehorn irrelevant modern-day issues where it doesn't belong.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yeah jesus said didn't come to abolish the law, but he clearly teaches things different to the teachings of the old testament so it should be pretty clear he's adding to it.

    It's your problem if you're not able to understand a very simple and obvious parable. There's no ambiguity for anyone else, really.

    The rest of your reply is babby's first anti-christian rant. I'm not religious, so direct your tawdry energies elsewhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you want to make arguments, use quotes. Don't make shit up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Are you asking for a quote of the Parable of the Good Samaritan? Or what?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh, that phraise goyim/ beasts of the field/ dogs like to take out of context and twist to their favor?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If you want to make arguments, use quotes. Don’t make shit up.

    If you want to debate with people, be clear: make a point, defend it when challenged, and say what it is in other points that you find deficient and why. Don't rant about irrelevant shit then throw around a bunch of slurs.

    You're not worth talking with, having failed at all of that. I'll be blocking you so I don't have to see more of it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    You are totally misrepresenting the last verse.

    He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

    “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

    Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

    Jesus is being called out by the Cannanite woman and is in the wrong here.

    “Do not go out among the Gentiles” is in the context of his specific instructions to the apostles at one point in time. The commission is expanded later.

    You can’t pick and choose isolated verses - you’re acting like a Christian.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, you're acting Saulinian. -The guy that never walked with Jewsus, lost the lottery to Matthias, destroys the law, lies, and flip flops.

    If you want to play context, don't ignore that Jewsus is the same OT god that subjected women to sex slavery, certain people to brutal racial slavery, and some to genocide. -And don't ignore all the sexist clauses in their laws and teachings.

    Even dogs, beasts of the field (synonym for Gentile in Bible) are rewarded. It doesn't mean they're eligible for 'salvation'.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Paul doesn’t count

    But also

    every verse about the Amaleks does

    You pick and choose like a good little Christian. The anti semitism is always lovely touch too.

    I’d love for you to give me an example of a non sexist Bronze Age society.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You defend like a dick skinning death cultist.

    Imagine a society not ruled by your sexist/ racist death cult... maybe a non-sexist one! -Suprise suprise!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I love the black and white thinking. Obviously, I must be a Christian because I don’t think the Bible is nothing but “kill all unbelievers” scrawled repeatedly in blood.

    C’mon Mister Logical - can you tell me what a false dichotomy is?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Are you saying that the term neighbour was chosen here so that there's a way exclude certain people?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Exactly. It's not like they weren't instructed to kill and enslave elsewhere in the Bible.

    Genocide:

    Deuteronomy 20:16-17, Joshua 6:21, 1 Samuel 15:3, Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 2:34, 1 Samuel 15:18, Judges 21:10, 2 Kings 10:7.

    Slavery:

    Leviticus 25: 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    No need for irrelevant ancient texts.

    The obvious interpretation is that Jesus actually meant what he said. There are no tales of Jesus enslaving people or promoting genocide.

    You're just a gross fash troll.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wow tax collectors catching strays even 2000 years ago.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Publicani were really hated. Roman Empire had a tax farming system where private individuals paid the taxes in certain area out of their own pocket and then tried to make a profit by collecting the taxes from that area to themselves. Made it so that the state didn't have to concern itself with the actual collection and got a guaranteed sum. But it also made it so that it was beneficial to the publicani to try and squeeze as much taxes out of the people to either not have loss or to have maximum profit. Though the term publican covers more than just tax collectors.

    Apostle Matthew was a publican.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Transcription for those who need it:

    Matthew 5:43-48 New International Version

    Love for Enemies You have heard that it was said "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Did that have to be an image of text that breaks accessibility, searchability, and fault tolerance for no compelling reason while making the web less usable?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you always ask rhetorical questions in response to the way a person presented their discussion rather than the substance of what they were discussing?

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Suddenly, Republican Christians: "You can't just take quotes from the Bible out of context and apply them to your argument! 😠"

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trust me, it's mostly Christians taking them out of context and denying clear statements. For example, Charlie Kirk spun: 'but what did the original word for slave mean in the Bible'. Well context actually defines the word for us:

    Leviticus 25: 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    I've never seen a Christian effectively argue context by showing context (as above).

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Me, 89% of the time when I see or hear Christians use this statement.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    There's no hate quite like Christian love.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The Muscular Christianity movement of the mid 19th century really took issue with this. Back then church attendance was 4:1 women to men and manly men were having trouble maintaining interest because Jesus' message was "too loving and gentle" so not very manly. They started redefining Christianity according to "manly" virtues, particularly they kicked all the women out of their administrative roles in church, started building sporting complexes next to churchs and reframed the old thinking of physical vigor being a form of vanity to instead being a sign of moral and spiritual excellence.

    I'm not kidding but they even changed the appearance of Jesus, commissioning art work where he was depicted with broader shoulders and a more defined chest, signalling readiness for action.

    Modern toxic masculinity is a "despiritualized" adaptation of Muscular Christianity.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Which is kind of funny, as some would say Jews of Old Testament times were expecting their coming messiah or king to be some kind of military leader. One who might lead them against the oppression of the Romans. Maybe kind of like Moses.

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    And John 8 while we're at it. He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They will usually respond with "hate the sin not the sinner" or something like that, idk but never give good reason why being LGBTQ is a sin

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I prefer 'be excellent to each other' from the book of Bill and Ted.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Attempting to use the bible as a source for good just doesn't work because they are always exceptions and hateful rhetoric in other bible chapters they can point to.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Or they can wholesale just make shit up like all the evangelical rapture crap. Hell, look at even the constitution and how that's been stretched and colored for all of the anti-progressive rhetoric in the past.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Even when I was a religious child, I still found contradictions in the bible. But, as you know, when you were a young naive child like everyone of us and found something odd, we're told to ignore it and just don't think about it.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I find it sad to fall back on 2000 year old literature to justify our behavior.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    When someone uses the Bible to justify their hate or bigotry, it’s very easy to throw back in their face. They never believed any of it — especially not anything that radical leftist Jesus taught — it’s a tool that represents whatever they want for their manipulative, selfish, self-centered purposes. What is written there doesn’t matter. It never did.

    Watch as they dismiss you anyway, with greatest hits like:

    • “That’s not what {$DENOMINATION} teaches.”
    • “That’s just heretical.”
    • ”So your interpretation is right but everyone else is wrong?”
    • ”You’re taking it out of context”, especially after you just added context to a thing they were deliberately taking out of context.
    • “Even the devil can quote scripture.”
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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    As far as the Bible goes, John was good. Great opening, and an overarching theme of "just be nice".

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    ngl if "be nice" is woke then i dont want to be anything elss

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Sometimes I think there's no way someone could miss how sarcastic I'm being. And yet every time I'm proved wrong.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The problem is that there are people who are stupid enough to actually have the opinions you are trying to sarcastically show.

    They also tend to be the loud ones who will post everywhere, so it's far more likely that a really stupid opinion is real than sarcastic.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You gotta throw in the /s

    Tone doesn't carry well over text.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    insulting someone isnt satire its just an insult

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Normally I would agree but the brutality and whiplash like nature of the comment definitely has some dark humor to it. I was thrown off at first till I realized the context of them roleplaying as "Brandon" from the image. It's crass, but checks out as an attempt for me. Then again, I applaud people who are willing to be downvoted for a good well-hidden joke (the whole woosh thing).

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Also, the Parable of the Good Samaritan.

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