BPR with PTB elements for targeting only side of this slapfight.
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ML, don't forget that it's a mix of bored teenagers roleplaying as commies and malicious demagogues.
Did you read the entire thread?
You started with an attack on everyone specifically to get into fights. Not sure what you consider good faith
Telling someone that they're making a strawman argument and that i think that's broadly how they argue is an attack now?
Being antagonistic for the sake of scoring points is.
Then coming here to act the victim is worse
Clearly you haven't read my post then cuz it's about the double standard and not whether you think i was right or wrong or being a bitch
I did and it does not at all come off that
Amazing rebuttal
So because you and your friends think I'm wrong i all of a sudden wasn't engaging in good faith debate?
What was stopping that commenter and other commenters from responding the way you just have as opposed to attacking me or trying to be all "erhm actually 🤓☝️" on whether whataboutism is a real fallacy or not?
Nice to see tankie brain still in here trying to tell me how wrong i am
You guys truly deserve each other
is this good faith arguing? 🤔
I disagree with people all the time on .world as well. The problem is thinking you're somehow still right or rational when your views are so extreme that people defederate from or block your whole instance.
It's prim and pure delusion.
I wonder how a Nazi would say their version of this🤔
Said while being an active member of the ideological equivalent...
> posting on .ml
well there's yer problem
I had deluded myself into thinking i could have fair discourse there, especially since it was supposed to be the least extreme of the trifecta. I'm now considering permanently blocking it.
Iirc, the /c/ommunity you posted it to first bans any user commenting from my instance that you reposted it into, so there are a lot of surprising discoveries ahead :D
From modlog:
Banned
altkey (he\him)
@lemmy.dbzer0.com
from the community MeanwhileOnGrad
reason: No db0 allowed
ed: look further
On the other hand, interacting with .ml can be extremely funny when you just accept that you are already banned, they just haven't figured out why yet.
Like when I got banned for pointing out that the Xi / Pooh Bear meme originated in China, amongst Chinese netizens, literally as them laughing at their own leader.
Nope, according to .ml, that makes me racist.
(((sinophobia)))
Hypocricy is their super power. Call everyone else racist just like magats. While apologizing for and championing Han supremacists. China has diverse and awesome cultures hundreds and thousands of years old. The Han are trying to scrub it all away. “OnEcHiNa!!!!1!!!“
hey. don't do the triple perentheses. especially when you're saying you're not a white supremacist. you don't need to give them any evidence. for context the triple parentheses are an old white supremacist dogwhistle idicating to other readers that you are in community with other white nationalists and believe Jews and Black people are in league together to run the world. i don't think that's where your comment is coming from, but it's not a good look and i had to look past that to read what you were trying to say. easier to just say what you're saying without using the racist dog whistle
It's apropos because it's a similar mentality. Used to confuse and mask their speech to others. Using it ironically is also not the same as truly using it. Neutering it's utility especially when people understand what it is. It doesn't matter what anyone "claims" to be. You will know them by their actions. All you have to do is look and you will never see me pushing Han or white supremacy. Just calling it out.
Any criticism of China is racist according to them. They throw around the word racism or nazi so they don't have to do any actual mental labour
Here's another one:
Tell them you have a friend who tells you they speak Cantonese and literally needs a translator to understand Mandarin, beyond exceptionally basic, like 2nd grade level vocabulary.
Nope, that being a thing I have experienced also makes me racist.
Tell them you have a friend who tells you they speak Cantonese and literally needs a translator to understand Mandarin, beyond exceptionally basic, like 2nd grade level vocabulary.
HUH? What lmao? What's the context of the thread? Got a link/screenshot?
I'm a Cantonese speaker too and I'm just curious how the fuck is speaking Cantonese "racist" lmfao.
That was a while back, on an older account of mine, and, in fairness I guess, that specifically didn't get me banned or comment mod deleted, it just caused a significant reaction from a bunch of angry commenters telling me that either that was impossible or I am wrong in some way that makes me an obvious either idiot or bad faith liar of some kind.
It also may have been on hexbear, not ml, I do get them confused, and yeah, this was ... I think around or over a year ago now?
But uh yeah, I think what was pissing them off was my later assertion that uh, no, Cantonese and Mandarin are so distinct, in so many ways, mutually unintelligible to such a large degree, that... its really more like you have the whole family of Romance languages, and though they share common vocabulary roots and grammatical / syntactical roots... they are different languages more than they are different dialects of the same language, the difference is way more extreme than say, East Coast US English and South African English.
I guess I'd be curious if you agree or disagree with that, as a Cantonese speaker yourself.
Like uh, I myself don't speak any Mandarin or Cantonese, but a cursory look into this shows fairly extreme differences in vocabulary, and like, Mandarin apparently has 4 tones, whereas Cantonese has 6 tones?
And my Cantonese friend was... the one who told me that just no, Cantonese and Mandarin are different languages, we cannot understand each other.
The fuller scenario was this:
Me and Cantonese friend go to largest asian market in US West Coast city.
She encounters another Chinese woman, a vendor, and ... she is trying to formulate a question I have about some food, originally in English, she tries to render this in Cantonese, realizes the vendor speaks Mandarin and far less English than my Cantonese friend.
We futz around with translators on our phones for a while, untill my Cantonese friend randomly finds a Vietnamese woman passing by, who speaks Vietnamese, Cantonese and a bit of English... and we discover that the Mandarin vendor also speaks Vietnamese reasonably well.
So now, we are going me (english) -> my friend (decent english and cantonese) -> Vietnamese passerby (vietnamese, cantonese, tiny bit of english) -> vendor (in vietnamese)... and then back again.
We were all laughing a lot at how silly this all was, but it did end up working, and all of that silliness was because my Cantonese friend could hardly understand any Mandarin... and of course because of myself asking some apparently too linguistically complex question about dumplings and noodles or something, and my Cantonese friend really wanting be able to answer my question, lol.
Cantonese sounds distinct compared to Mandarin, its mutualy unintelligible with each other. Younger people like me who went to school in China would understsnd Mandarin, but older people were never taught Mandarin, and its much harder compared to just accent imitation, its almost as different as two different languages, well... it's not that different, since both use the same writing system, spoken cantonese is slightly more colloquial, but when it's written formally, its would be understandable to any Chinese Language Variants (commonly known as "Dialects" but I dislike that term), so you basically pronounce the same characters in a different way. If they can read and write, they don't really need a translator/interpreter. Just grab a pen xD.
Its not just the tones, but also a lot more amount of pronouncible sounds there is.
(Jyutping and Pinyin represent different sounds btw, its not an IPA replacement)
Like 食 (to eat)
Cantonese Jyutping is sik6
Mandarin Pinyin is si2
時 (time)
Cantonese Jyutping is si4
Mandarin Pinyin is si2
(Difference highlighted in bold)
Not only is there more tones, there's also the -p -t -k endings to the sound, so you get much more variety, less homophones.
I always love the following two:
劍 (Sword)
Cantonese Jyutping: gim3
Mandarin Pinyin: jian4
箭 (Arrow)
Cantonese Jyutping: zin3
Mandarin Pinyin: jian4
Imagine being at war, and Mandarin speakers lost because they accidentally brought swords to an bow and arrow fight lmao.
Or this:
雪 (Snow)
Cantonese Jyutping: syut3
Mandarin Pinyin: xue3
血 (Blood)
Cantonese Jyutping: hyut3
Mandarin Pinyin: xue3
Imagine this conversation (imagine its happening in Mandarin):
"There's a lot of [xuě] outside!"
"Oh yea its beautiful, isn't it. First time seeing [xuě] (snow)?"
"No there's a lot of [xuě]! SOMEONE DIED, there's [xuě] EVERWHERE!"
Get it? Because Snow and Blood sound the exact same in Mandarin. Lmfao.
I always love Cantonese more, but yea tankies are gonna call me racist and "han traitor". I'm like: Homie, northern colonizers are forcibly trying to assimulate Guangdong in to speaking a conquerer's language, calm down lol. CCP Tankies are just like the early US colonizers forcing the natives to speak a different language.
Well shit, thank you for the fairly comprehensive breakdown there!
Yeah I am not gonna pretend I know... how ... any of those pronounciation keys actually work or sound, but I will look them up later, lol!
CCP Tankies are just like the early US colonizers forcing the natives to speak a different language.
See this is the sentiment that I naturally lean toward, but am obviously not proficient enough in... any Chinese variant, nor really with the history of China beyond what a Chinese person would probably view as grade school level...
But I have spent a bit of time studying the absolutely fascinating wealth of languages and language groups that... my ancestors basically drove to literal, or near total extinction... and... that makes me very, very sad.
The worst part is that... most of them just usually did not write that much down, it was almost all spoken, so its basically up to the fairly few remaining actual native speakers, and an effort of something like forensic linguistics, to try to reconstruct it as best they can, but the good news is that there are a number of schools that have actual curricula to teach at least some of these native tongues, and prevent more linguistic extinction.
I think at least a few of them now have reserved charsets in some kind of more recent version of UTF, but I am not 100% sure about that off the top of my head.
I did a long time ago and my experience has been no worse off for it, I certainly don't miss them.
They went specifically to be able to create content for goat so entirely on them
@goat@sh.itjust.works another example I could have quoted in our other discussion
You know Goat doesn't actually want answers or proof. He hates db0 for calling out his love of fascism.
You know they are losing the argument when they resort to name calling.
Considering they had started to name call me by the second comment. I'll take this as a compliment to my debating skills
BPR, try messaging them and see if they'll remove the ban
Based on how op is acting here I doubt that would go well
.ml does this. Say things they don't like, and they will ban you. You either absorb their hostility, adopt (or at least accept to be true) their perspective, or you get banned for being "uncivil."
Consider the actions of the pet fascist governments they are cosplaying as, and it all makes sense. You spoke out against the will of the community, so you take your social credit hit and spend a short while in re-education.
Take your badge of honour, and give them as little traffic as possible in the future.
OP, it's ml.
Most people have it blocked, but somehow you've made it a year on Lemmy and are still doing this.
Alright, alright. I'm the clown in this situation. I had a little bit of faith that i could reach some common ground with them, but I don't think it's possible
Hehehe, nooo. No, it is not. The ideology they adhere to attracts and ensures narrow-mindedness to survive. There is no pondering, experimenting of thought, consideration of others or other things. The dragon they chase is the happiness of all so long as everyone follows the ideology they do. Ironically, chastising those that don't for being weak and narrow-minded. They're not even sheeple, they're following a shepherd that doesn't even exist.
There are many ideologys like this around the world. Their values and ides can be vastly different, but that doesn't matter. They attract the same people. What happens next is whatever ideology ensnared them first and that's their life now, all others be damned.
You'll never reach common ground with the kind of individual that bares these traits. So...

Why what?
Why did you want to find common ground? What's the goal here?
Idk. I wanted to retain some faith in humanity; especially considering the point we were arguing on was pretty benign, so we could've easily reached an agreement on something.
It gives me a feeling of nihilism whenever some people are so adamant in their beliefs to not even entertain opposing views. It makes it seem all pointless.
I don't fully understand how this stuff works. Does that mean you were banned by the admins of lemmy.ml or the mods of that specific community?
I was banned by the mods of that community
Admins of lemmy.ml - if you check the modlog, it's Dessalines.
The very same user was arguing with me about politics and told me I should commit suicide. Fortunately, it was on .world, so they got the mod action instead of me.
you should post this to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
To be fair. no one likes you.




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