I'm seeing a bunch of posts about how Google has decided to stop allowing side loading on Android phones. But the EU relatively recently forced Apple to do the exact opposite. Won't they just do the same thing for Android phones? Sure, people outside the EU market will lose this ability as a default, but presumably you can just order a Euro phone on ebay if you are outside the EU.

So why is everyone panicking? I think Google is definitely being shitty by trying to do this, and I support the development of other open source alternatives. I like the fact that this could be a big wakeup call for that effort. But I am wondering if this is also not as big of a deal as everyone is making out.

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[–] 139 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The EU requires Apple to allow direct installation of apps, but tolerates Apple requiring the apps to be signed with an Apple-approved key, which makes it possible for Apple to ban developers.

Google's plan seems to be similar.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I mean, sure. If you want to actually read and understand the details then I suppose this is fine. But what if you just want to circle jerk on the internet? Eh? What do you have say about that? 🙃

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I don't see how it's fine because it's basically just a loophole that makes the law useless isn't it? If they have ultimate authority over what is and isn't allowed on your phone, and the owner of the phone has no say in that, what do the details of how it happens matter?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The EU's goal is to increase competition. They want businesses, especially EU-based businesses to be more able to compete with established tech firms.

    The EU does not particularly care about your ownership of your device or your right to create or install whatever software you want. The EU may even be a bit opposed to that and prefer a situation where it can pressure Apple and Google to ban things it doesn't like.

    EU regulators are no more on your side than Apple is when it says its app store monopoly is for your protection.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    Despite what your favorite tech blog might’ve said, the EU hasn’t forced Apple to allow sideloading (more than is already allowed in the US and most of the rest of the world).

    They forced Apple to allow third-party app stores (apps where you DOWNload other apps). Google is planning on doing exactly what Apple is doing in the EU, but globally.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    They could've just added an option in the OS to only accept apps signed by Google alongside "Install unknown apps" but nooo, they had to do it the Apple way and take the freedom of installing any app you want entirely.

    Fuck em'.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For most of Android's existance you have been able to sideload apps, now if that won't be possible any more, I'd expect that the EU will implement the same demand against Alphabet as they did against Apple:

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Yup. The only issue is that Apple got this slap in the face after years of locking down their hardware. If android movies in a similar direction, we can probably expect years before any action against it is taken.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You see, that's the fun thing.

    Android will still technically allow sideloading, they'll just make it difficult and scary for average user, and annoying for devs.

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  • Yes these changes made by Google are technically in violation of the DMA, but the courts are sloooow. And so far google has only announced these changes afaik, not actually shipped them. They will probably be forced to support third party stores properly at some point.

    Unless of course the EU chat control laws get passed, because if they do, then you can just forget about all these digital openness and privacy laws because they are completely worthless then. Locked down stores would be the number one method of distributing backdoored apps to allow them to "protect the children"...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Technically it will still be allowed. In reality, it will just be Play Store without a nice UI. Now question is whether or not it's enough for the European Comission to take action.

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