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[–] 149 points 1 year ago

Why I recommend against Brave - Luca Bramè.

This article is a pretty good breakdown of why you shouldn't use Brave.

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  • [–] 138 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's the lie they try to sell you.

    I swear Brave ran a very successful guerrilla marketing campaign and it succeeded on Reddit. If you so much as question it or suggest an alternative, you get dogpiled on by Brave bros. I don't trust it one bit. I'll stick to FF and its forks.

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  • [–] 239 points 1 year ago

    the crypto browser? it's not private and never was

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Just use Firefox for gods sakes, Brave is a complete joke of a browser especially when it comes to privacy.

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    [–] 78 points 1 year ago*

    Brave (the company) has a long history of doing dodgy stuff. They are just trying to do what Google did (directing clicks to their own shit), but they're using privacy as their marketing spiel.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Can you suggest a better alternative browser for android?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No. At least not in the way most people expect.

    It does block some tracking and ads that Chrome alone allows or explicitly adds. But it simply shifts that tracking to Brave. The idea was that you'd still get the benefits of that tracking by giving all of your data to Brave instead. I honestly never was convinced by this considering your data is still being sold, just by a different company so it doesn't sound much better to me. Supposedly, according to them, Brave is more trustworthy and gives you more control over what they track and sell, but I don't trust that business model. There's no real incentive for them to do what they said they would.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Isn't Brave just a crypto scam? I have no clue why people trust it so much

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It gets pushed often by reactionaries as an "anti-woke" browser LOL its a complete piece of shit. It's got crypto, tracking, NFTs, AI and ads baked in. Literally everything I hate about the tech industry rolled up into one package. I'd rather use Chrome, even.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    anti-woke

    I find it quite interesting those who protest being woke. The word 'woke' has a long standing meaning to the Black community. The usual suspects using the word 'anti-woke' are almost always American Republicans, and their track record of racial animosity has preceded itself for generations like the stench of a rotting corpse. Given the choice between being woke or asleep, I'll take woke any day.

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    I've never really had a comfortable feeling about Brave. I have no substantiating evidence, it just seems a bit squirrely. Besides the Tor browser, LibreWolf, Waterfox, and FireFox are the only acceptable browsers as far as I'm concerned, tho I don't come down on those seeking an alternative to Google Chrome.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Any alternative to brave in iOS with adblocker? (I know, probably use another OS)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Far as I remember any browser in iOS is a scam anyways because Apple forces any browser in their platform to be based off of the same engine as Safari.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    AFAIK at least in the EU because have to admit also browsers with a different engine as WebKit. WebKit is same as Blink a fork from the KHTML engine by KDE, butway less advanced as Blink or Gecko, who outscore WebKit in modern webformats. This is why Apple don't want other browsers which make Safari obsolete. Anyway, sooner or later Safari will be the next IE.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    General practice, I do not use my phone as a compute platform. I realize others cannot do the same all the time. I do run firefox and a VPN which has an adblocker as part of it's tool set.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    People sadly believe so. Firefox, a few addons and you are good to go.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Librefox then? Or what are you guys using?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Don't a lot of browsers by default have pings set up to track usage? Check the privacy section. There is usually a check box about sending daily pings to whatever company made the browser to track usage.

    Not sure about the variations though

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Any browser does it, it is needed for several reasons, every browser need to know the amount of users it has to calculate it's market share. But statistical telemetries are not a privacy issue, it's like an employee which count the amount of cars and trucks on a highway, to know if it is needed to enlarge the highway or not. A browser need to know it for its capacity of servers and sync, if they offer it. Normally the telemetries includes in which OS is used the browser and in which country, all this is legit and not a privacy problem.

    Bad only when it also include logs and profiling of user data and activity, as Chrome and EDGE do, and worse if this is sold to third parties. Decent browser don't do it.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    no, brave is just another crypto scam

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    No.

    It sold out on it's privacy promise years ago. Brave Browser CANNOT be trusted if you are someone who must ensure Privacy Preserving featurs must remain on at all times.

    I recommend the Tor Browser. DO NOT USE THE TOR BROWSING CAPABILITIES OF BRAVE! YOU WILL BE DEANONYMIZED! Likely anything you'd be using Tor for, you don't want your browser slipping up and leaking anything.

    Personally I use a blend of hand-hardened Firefox (Via plugins), Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium (for very rare cases where the site is actually trusted and requires Chrome to function predictably)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Idk what the first two are, but you should be able to disable the usage ping at the bottom of privacy settings

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Brave is like the ExpressVPN of browsers

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    even tho most low level searches and recommendations gonna point towards brave as the private browser, all you need to just look at the options. its datafarming, its running in the background randomly, its an nftbro chrome.

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    I tend to recommend Brave for the ones who aren't technically savvy. For that, its good.

    For me who is really into privacy, I've always felt uncomfortable with brave or any chrome based browser. So I go with TOR and LibreWolf

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can disable this in the settings. Nobara ships with Brave now but with all of the telemetry and crypto BS turned off out of the box.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I don't think you can say the same as MS plays shitty cat and mouse games and is constantly patching the workarounds. And the changes required are much more involved than just toggling a switch. And Brave won't randomly toggle it back on after an update or just blatantly ignore it altogether.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    What browser should I use on mobile? I use Librewolf on desktop since it runs fine, and the vertical tabs are great, and it looks nice.

    On mobile though there's a lot of problems with the browser space:

    • Chrome: runs great but is obviously not good for privacy
    • Firefox: what most people recommend, but it has terrible performance, looks not great, and doesn't even have more than basic fingerprinting protection, and literally includes ads by default. It's also less secure on Android because they don't do per site process isolation, and the memory allocator is worse.
    • Brave: people tend to dislike brave here, but it runs well (since it's chromium based) and has at least better fingerprinting protection.

    What other options are there?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Tbh firefox performs great and works for me, and its issues can be fixed with extensions and settings, both on desktop and mobile. I never looked for anything else myself. I also like to use a browser that is not chromium-based, I do not want google to have the monopoly.

    maybe I am just not picky, but if you need more privacy than what can be achieved with a hardened firefox config you might be better off using TOR at that point.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm a grown adult and can check for updates my own damn self. This phone-home telemetry in the guise of updating bullshit needs to stop

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Then use an actual private browser and not some techbro cryptobrowser.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I use Vivaldi, it's IMHO the only decent Chromium browser, apart European, with a good privacy, no logs, no tracking no third party investors. great services and community.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yes, it's proprietary because some script parts are. It's not so easy to go full OpenSource for an Chromium browser which is more an online suite than a simple browser, because Google and M$ will kill to be able to fork it for Chrome and EDGE, which will have catastrophic aftermaths for all other Chromium browsers, include Vivaldi. Way easier to be OpenSource for simpler Chromium or Gecko forks. Anyway I think in a market saturated with browsers (over 100 different), beeing OpenSource isn't in the main interest for the user anymore, prevailing more the ethics and transparency of the manufactor, 100% given in Vivaldi. Apart, as say, it's the only decent browser from the EU on level eye with the US big Brother browsers. Alternatively there is Mullvad, butit is , apart of the privacy features, a very basic browser, more an platform for the Mullvad VPN, no own sync, only with Mozilla, Konqueror with the KHTML engine by KDE is discontinued, same as sadly the French UR browser. Thats it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Depends on what you mean by "private". I would not trust it much, but it's not a bad Chromium based browser when you need one. Use something like LibreWolf for much more privacy out of the box.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Try to disable telemetry.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You can disable it in settings.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    You can stop it in settings just like any other browser. I still will use Brave as my choice of browsers.

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