“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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[–] 187 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (40 children)

He's a fascist dictator, not a communist one. And when the 'titans of industry' care more about their bottom line than democratic principles, that's a sign to rally against them, not frame one's argument with an echo of McCarthyism.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Harris continues to demonstrate that she is not only was too incompetent for the job, but also 1/3 of the reason we have a fascist administration. The other 2/3 belong to Biden and the DNC for the curious. I don't think she's too uneducated to know the difference between communism and fascism, i belive she's intentionally conflating the two because at the end of the day, she's still a right wing pig.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So you don't blame the actual fascists in your mathematics?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you blame water for being wet, or a dog for licking its balls? Fasc gonna fasc, I'll reserve my criticism for the folks I expected to actively work against it.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Not everyone who points out the Democrats lost the last election are tankies...

    They annoy me to, but also shut the fuck up if this is your only thought. Even if they were a tankie, which I don't think they are because the criticized them for reasonable things we all saw, you should actually point out their errors so reasonable people see your comment and don't trust them instead.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Bro, the first election I voted in was 2016. I only knew that I should vote for Hillary Clinton because she was the Democratic nominee. I wasn't even aware that Bernie was done dirty by the DNC.

    There's levels of corruption to politics in America, and part of that corruption is keeping people dumb. If they weren't so dumb, they might develop class consciousness and vote for things that actually improve their material conditions!

    You don't have to be a tankie to refute Democrats, and even moreso Republicans. Some people might call that being an Independent.

    Thanks for making that word more useless though.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    He has taken some very communist steps. The government has taken stake in Nvidia and Intel, as well as received voting shares in Nippon Steel. His government has literally started seizing the means of production...

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Those aren't even under the illusion of the workers owning the means of production, though.

    It's fascism, utilizing the pre-existing Christian fundamentalism of American conservatism. The fact it includes kleptocratic state capitalism doesn't change the fascism, or its means of attaining power.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, we’re not talking about Lennon. We’re talking about Stalin.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Complete misunderstanding of what the term even means. Like I said in another comment, it's incorrect, antiquated boomer speak.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Jeepers, did you ever consider the fact that the Nazis have a better understanding of communication than you do? Do you understand about messaging and target audience? Do you think you’re the target audience for this statement? Do you think Kamal Harris is speaking to your personal understanding of what communism is? Or do you think she is speaking to 50 years of US propaganda? And the description that would be readily recognized by most republican voters? Do you think everything is about you?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So she’s still out there pandering to right wing voters? No wonder she lost.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    So good communication is lying to people instead of trying to achieve higher understanding? Just keep dumbing down discourse so long as it gets you some short-term gain?

    Wow, with thought like that it's no wonder Americans voted in fascism. You're supposed to be on the "good" side? I see why Democrats are more than happy to smash leftists teeth in alongside their fascist counterparts. 'm sure you'll get there when chips are down.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I mean she’s doing more than you are doing to oppose your enemies currently. Seriously have any of you armchair communist done anything? Are you guys still in fighting over labels? Like the fastest have pretty much taken full control and you are picking apart Kamala Harris‘s press briefing. And you’re saying, I am a fucking sympathizer.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It's smart messaging

    Trump is Statist, which is something loathed by both conservatives and libertarians

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Conservatives don't care about small government. They just uaw "small government" as a dog whistle to attack racial minorities. New Deal-era and post-WW2 GI Bill policies were quite popular in the South, as they were written to exclude black people from their benefits. It was only with the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society movements, when black people started qualifying for poverty assistance just like white people, that conservatives suddenly started caring about small government.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Conservatives don’t care about small government.

    I see this often from (presumably) liberals.

    I came from a conservative family and held conservative / libertarian beliefs most of my life. These people really, really do want small government. Saying that they don't makes it impossible to understand their motives -- and we really do have to understand where people are coming from.

    To complain that their political leaders sell out those ideals for the sake of buying votes is fair, but only if you admit that same set of perverse incentives is not unique to any party.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    These people really, really do want small government.

    If they do, then none of their actions support this desire.

    There's a reason why the venn diagram between libertarians, conservatives, and maga is practically a circle.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I can understand what she was trying to do; pull the libertarians and the conservative small state crowd to the Democrats, but it's a dumb message and I doubt current DNC voters want anything to do with them. This is why they lost so many votes and will continue to lose; they need to attract those who abstain from voting and stop trying to please potential undecided Republicans once and for all.

    Trump's actions mirror the modus operandi of most dictators, whether from the left or right. The way he appointed an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist as health secretary is reminiscent of Stalin promoting Lysenko's ideas against all the scientific evidence independently produced by his peers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    these conversations as to which political philosophy is identified correctly: No, its marxism! No communism!, socialism!, bolshevism!, always sprout up. No one cares if he is a "statist". No one cares about finely parsing which brand of leftwing is which. Its a pointless circlejerk where no one gets off in the end, so why do it?

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Some would say he's a commie fascist tankie dictator.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, uneducated people might say something like that.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Propaganda against socialism and communism still going strong in the usa

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Harris is certainly well educated enough to know that Trump is not a communist; presumably these dipshit comments are for right-wingers, because she's trying to appeal to them again.

    Goddamned neoliberals

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    hilarious to hear Americans use terms like Socialist, Communist, Fascist even at the levels of supposedly highly educated and clearly they have no idea what they are talking about.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A fascist dictator, not a communist dictator.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    She can't say fascist because fascism is the merger of corporate and state power which is what the US has been building since forever.

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  • [–] [S] 61 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    I mean so close, I do understand what she's trying to get across with things like Intel, yet absolutely dumb messaging.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Kamala going back to american basics: all communist = bad --> all bad = communist.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Yeah, completely overloaded and missed used term at this point that doesn't reflect the realities of anything in today's world outside of antiquated boomer speak.

    She needed to grow a spine and say fascist.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Half this country was exposed to 30+ years of Cold War Propaganda; it’s a very powerful force to draw upon, especially when they are under the spell of the current propaganda. It’s useful to try to get one propaganda to overwhelm the other propaganda inside their brains. It’s like saying something about Palestine to your generation. Or about communism lmao. Over rides the thinking side of your brain even decades later. It’s just emotionally charged and full of false imagery that you perceive as an individual. But the fact remains is he very much running a Stalin like government. Calling him a commie and pointing to the 30 years of commie propaganda is useful politically. Ironically, it upsets, your keyboard communists.too which is magical.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    They aren’t real people. When you compare election results to the popular political opinions on lemmy it becomes obvious there are bots in this echo chamber.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I mean they are real people. In the real world they are everywhere. Morons in echo chambers. A small town with a national radio outlet can become an echo chamber…. People seem to like it in there. Solace for those who can’t afford homes I guess

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    As much as I dislike it, this is the right messaging.

    Anyone with half a brain will say "... This isn't communism" but only the tankies who vote for Putin will really care.

    But all the children of immigrants who fled horrifically evil "communist" regimes? The people who side eye the college kids wearing dictators on their chests? THIS speaks to them.

    And... things are looking a lot like a 20th century "communist" dictatorship. So...

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    THIS speaks to them.

    Or it'll make them laugh. Probably will make them laugh. If this rhetoric worked it would've stopped Hitler.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Why would this speak to them? They didn't grow up under communism. All they know is that their parents say it's bad, but they don't actually know why it's bad. Chances are they don't really care that Trump is likened to a communist because they don't understand the implied meaning behind the word. It's the same with calling Trump a fascist. The average American doesn't care because they don't know anything about fascism beyond "it's a bad thing". It's just a bad word which makes it the equivalent of calling Trump an asshole.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Speaks to me: commies hated free speech, they hated free markets, they had ample corruption, cronyism, and were full of contradictions and human rights violations. The USA government spent 50 years and billions of dollars on propaganda that disparaged everything trumps America is doing. Time to call upon it before the boomers die

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    commies hated free speech, they hated free markets, they had ample corruption, cronyism, and were full of contradictions and human rights violations.

    That sounds like America these past few years.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago

    Yes that’s the point in Kamala calling trump a commie: and yes our decaying empire went through the same stages the USSR did 30 years later with help from Putin: and YES. None of this is actually communism or capitalism it’s just stealing from people.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    These people don't even know what a communist is. They just have "red bad" drilled so far into their heads that it's right next to "woke" as a catch-all term for bad things.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago

    Well. That tells me all I need to hear. The DNC had decided to lose. Again.

    Good luck. You're gonna need it.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Fucking hell did she really need to throw in the red scare bullshit?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So the headline is misleading at best but i still feel like the ambiguity raised by inserting a term like that was just piss poor form and just about par for the course on both journalism and the messaging clarity of the DNC.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    She's comparing the current big baddy with the old big baddy not calling a fascist a communist. It's the same message from her just IMO your understanding of it shows how the ambiguity plays out. It creates a narrative that undermines her point because people aren't gonna get it.

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