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[–] 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You will work three days in one job, and then another three on another job in order to pay the rent. And then you'll need a side hustle and a Sunday job to afford food.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Fucking lol.

    IF they get an 80% productivity boost and can choose to either:

    A) Maintain staffing, maintain pay, only make workers work 3 days a week.

    B) Fire 60% of staff, maintain 5 days a week, and freeze raises because the market is now awash with newly laid off people

    What do YOU think they're gonna do?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Marx called this more then a century ago, any labor saving technology will always be used to put people in the unemployment line instead of lessening work because capitalist love a long unemployment line to keep the workers in line.

    He thought that it would lead to the unemployed masses teaming up with the imiserated workers to overthrow capitalism, which hasn't happened...yet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't think you or I or Marx need to over engineer the explanation in terms of "wanting unemployment lines to keep 'workers in line'"

    It's sufficient to say there is an immediate profit motive to just fire the workers and pocket the surplus, I think.

    Not well versed enough in social theory or empirical outcomes to really know... But it seems enough to me

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's sufficient to say there is an immediate profit motive to just fire the workers and pocket the surplus, I think.

    That doesn't explain why they don't just do a three day work week and pay workers 1/2 of what they did before. Cost wise it would be the same and would make the same profit as firing half the workforce, but you'll almost never see companies reduce hours instead of head count.

    They don't reduce hours because that means the person will probably get a second job. Now they're not the sole employer and the only thing keeping that person from poverty. This makes getting fired a smaller threat as the second job can hold you over for longer. It also gives the employees more bargaining power when negotiating for raises / benefits as they can threaten to quit and just live off the second job for a bit, they can also play both employers off one another to compete for the employees time. These all increase worker power which capitalists/employers don't like.

    A long unemployment line has the opposite effect and decreases worker power. It makes firing a bigger threat as the employee knows it will be harder to get a job, so the employer can work them more and pay them less. It also reduces employee bargaining power as the threat of quitting isn't as real and the employer knows it.

    This is why a Marxist approach is needed, economics just looks at the dollar and cents, but if you look only at that you can miss underlying power dynamics that also drive behavior.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Maybe that's why. I don't dispute the outcome, just I wonder about the underlying motivation.

    Headcount, regardless of utilization, carries a cost. Payroll HR benefit administration badges laptops uniforms etc etc.

    As well simply "cutting hours" causes people to quit to find more stable full time employment. If you actually want to keep an employee, it's a massive risk to do that.

    Both cases, those are working against the employer even before you try and justify it as part of some grander scheme.

    I'm completely open to the idea, but it strikes me as an Occam's Razor moment. Why introduce the concept of secret colluding between competing businesses when it can be sufficiently be explained by individual greed?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    yeah, that’s such fucking bullshit. Why the hell would they ever fucking do that when they can just hire one person and work them 10 times as hard for five days a week and leave the rest of us unemployed. It makes zero economic sense. AI is not here to solvethe world‘s problems. It’s here to solve the wage problems and it is well on its way.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    With a 7 day week for those fixing it's mistakes

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Productivity has more than doubled since the 5 day workweek was introduced ^1^. We could have that right now. At least a four day work week has been proven to be more productive in multiple studies.

    So what can AI do that hasn't already been done?

    ^1^ ^Fought^ ^and^ ^died^ ^for^

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Hahahahaha The only reason we have a 5 day workweek is the labor movement. Capitalists then love to saunter up later with their new tech saying they can shave a few more days off. Does it ever happen? Nope. You get new work and they pocket the savings.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Looks like his pants are on fire... weird.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    CEOs only act in the interests of shareholders. Any claims they make about things benefiting workers are utter horseshit.

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  • Should happen without AI

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Ah yes, because these pricks certainly care about a sustainable wage and not just not wanting to pay another 16 hours or more per week.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Nah, instead people who work will continue being stuck in a constant crunch time. There will only be more unemployed people and the owners and shareholders will continue to pocket the extra profit.

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  • Sounds like total crap, 3-day work week maybe in 100 years, the world will have moved to flying cars before that'll happen.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The only reason they would consider a 3 day work week is to make all their employees "part time" and deny them benefits.

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  • Just like trickle down economics!

    As others have said, only reason they'd offer 3 day work weeks is to avoid health care, full time benefits.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Jensen Huang, huh? The same guy in charge of Nvidia and their massive AI chip market? Mmmmkaaaayyy

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    I do feel like some facilities are using AI to calculate their OEE because holy shit that's some inflation Batman.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Does zoom work a 3 day workweek now? Surely he could help make that happen in a short matter of time. Put your money where your mouth is.

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago

    I am sure it is for the CEO but for everyone else it is endless crunch time.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can’t wait for my rent to go down 40% with my salary

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What they're not telling you is that weeks will now be two days long and you'll owe your employer for that missing day.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or you will need to pick up 3 other jobs to make ends meet. 3 days at slave camp 1, 3 days at slave camp 2 over lapping 3 days for slave camp 3

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Didn't MS just put out a RTO mandate like a week ago? Sure they'll totally let people have 3 day work weeks.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Are there still idiots listening to the masturbatory fantasies of CEO's?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Are people just gonna be paid for less hours?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Yes, I'm sure if AI makes a company's workforce 40% more efficient, then CEOs will give employees 40% more free time and not just layoff 40% if their workforce.

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  • And the rest of us will be homeless and dead on the street.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This is hyperbolic bullshit. It’s also a warning that executives and their boards are doing their best to will us into permanent serfdom if they get their way.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    some people are already working 0-day workweeks.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's literally the only way for capitalism to keep going...

    When there's not enough jobs to earn money for resources shit hits the fan.

    To compensate for technological advances the standard work week needs to shrink while wages at least stay the same. That way there's more jobs.

    It's literally the whole point of the Luddite movement when the auto look showed up.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But what if our oligarchs just let 40% of us die, instead? Do they even notice a difference? They probably make more money.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    just like animals need to keep circulating blood to stay alive, so does the economy need to continue circulating consumer goods and products. without it, it's dead and becomes worthless rather rapidly.

    basically, the economy has a stark interest in keeping consumerism running. that's in fact such a large interest that it even justifies taxing the rich and redistributing money sothat it can flow in circles (from bottom to top, from top to bottom).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The smartest, most technically knowledgeable one of them is Gates. The retirement age dork who's wife divorced him over Epstein and never had his buddy Woz's skills.

    These rich dipshit are just pumping their investments.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm sure they already work 3 days a week

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