Have they tried budgeting or making coffee at home?
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This is the Find Out stage.
Keep voting red you stupid fuckers.
I can't wrap my head around how some of them can be so hateful and intolerant when they are the true soy boys.
the only version of reality they know is on fox news, newsmax, the joe rogan experience, and am radio.
this war has been coming. they've even known its coming. but they understand it to be solely at the feet of the chinese state manipulating the markets. they think, because it's the only perspective they've ever been exposed to, 47 to be a big strong power daddy standing up to those bullies.
it has never occurred to them that the great imperial powers, russia, china, the anglosphere, are engaged in a centuries long stalemate. one that benefits no one but the people at the top. their big power daddy is not their savior, but their antichrist. their pharaoh, caesar, king, and overseer. he hates them and will make them suffer.
and i hate everyone in this thread thinking laughing at them is the play here. they turn to their churches because their churches promise to help them and accept them. i'm sick of this performative leftist bullshit. things don't get better by shaming the morons, they get better by feeding them and showing them another way. through galvanizing them against all our opressors. yeah, some are so twisted with hate you can never help them, but by not even trying to bring them to our way of seeing things you're repeating all of the same mistakes that created a malicious and uninformed public in germany that cranked out adolf eichmanns.
don't be like israelis blaming this genocide on an evil race of tormentors. be like hannah arendt blaming it on a system of manipulation of what right and wrong even is
You're performing a song and dance for people who aren't in this thread. If the goal was to join them at being laughing stocks, you succeeded.
Web activism does nothing and if people here aren't laughing at them the algorithms will still find the one guy who is and present that person to right wingers.
Whatever you think you're accomplishing by advocating self censorship, you are naively assuming the right wing media won't fabricate these narratives whole cloth.
The "school kitty litter" stuff peddled by Rogan is a perfect example of "however nice you are to the right, they will be shown whatever upsets them the most (even if its completely fake) and you will be blamed for it."
Laughing at them is the only play. They will not listen to us no matter what. They deserve this, and while it sucks for the rest of us too, we might as well enjoy their suffering since they puposfully did this to us. The US is on a path to crash and burn, and the faster it does so, the sooner we can maybe start building something good again.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16301276
How do you square these two things?
Please explain
In the above post you state it's OK to laugh because the farmers purposefully elected Trump, leading to a (predictable) trade war and suffering.
In the linked post you explain that Palestinians in Gaza mostly support the attacks on Israel.
Should the starvation and attacks the Palestinians suffer then be ridiculed because "they deserve it"?
Fair point. In this case, the adults who voted for Trump may go bankrupt, but they nor their families will starve, ironically because of the social programs they are also likely opposed to. In Gaza, even the adults have less access to education that might give them a chance of critical thinking, and the children are dying. That's not funny in any way. So I suppose it's a matter of degrees, but it's such a different degree that it's hard for me to see it as similar.
I have no intention to accept people that refuses to accept me.
That they go low we go high attitude does not work.
I say let them reap what they sow.
and i hate everyone in this thread thinking laughing at them is the play here. they turn to their churches because their churches promise to help them and accept them. i’m sick of this performative leftist bullshit. things don’t get better by shaming the morons, they get better by feeding them and showing them another way. through galvanizing them against all our opressors.
There's a vast difference between mocking people in an echo chamber and doing it directly to their faces. You're right that mocking someone never changed their mind, but as far as I've read the only thing that moves the needle, especially for people in a cult, is a close personal connection helping them. Internet comments are never going to change anything, so I say mock the poor dumbasses voting to shoot themselves in the foot (at best), or unempathetic racist shitheads (more likely), because it makes my day a little better at least.
You're absolutely right.
It's like women finding a voice online and correctly pointing out the mountains of shit they have to endure, but instead of offering solutions and listening to the perspectives of men online, they collectively said "shut up the women are talking" and helped to create a generation of violent misogynists with warped views on sex and gender.
Shaming people might feel good but it only entrenches the views you're shaming them for. You can condemn someone's actions, their philosophies, hell, their whole identity, while having the empathy to understand where those views come from in the first place.
they turn to their churches because their churches promise to help them and accept them
Which just doubles down on the stupid. There is a differnce between ignorance and deliberate ignorance. There is no excuse for deliberate ignorance in the developed world. They can read Al Jazeera (picks random other news source) easily for example.
Also seems odd to invoke Ardent, her being a refugee immigrant .
i know it doubles down on the stupid. it's why we have to resist that march to darkness with everything we have. people are simple creatures. they go where they feel their needs are met. it's why the unions of the early 1900s set up soup kitchens and the salvation army fought street battles to shut those soup kitchens down. i'm not asking that people not see these morons as ignorant, i'm asking people to realize this leftist echo chamber behavior makes them less effective propagandists when they go out and hit the streets.
do you know what i've noticed in my time protesting of late? there has been an increase in tankies showing up places advocating for authoritarianism, but not their authoritarianism, our authoritarianism, as if authoritarianism can ever lead to anything good. and the ignorant masses see that and think it's who the left is and they turn away from us even though the the vast majority of leftists are advocating against the authority of monetary and military might, and want that authority distributed to the masses.
i'm just asking people here to think about how to make effective propaganda that doesn't just preach to the choir, but entices new people that we have something different to offer than the things they're escaping. there's a theology of food and liquor. the idea is that god made food, and the devil made liquor. on the face of it, god seems like our ally for this and the devil our enemy. but god uses the food to control us through his authority, and the devil helps us survive until tomorrow by soothing the pain of our subjugation. the most dangerous food is the low quality stuff the authority makes readily available that's low in nutritional quality. the most dangerous liquor is the church. if you want to help people remove themselves from the bondage of this society you have to perform some acts of self sacrifice and share some of your food with them as keep them away from the dangerous liquors like the church, opioids, and booze.
how do we keep people from the dangerous liquors? by understanding why they turn to them. they are in pain. they need hope. hope is the safest liquor, and after the devil realized that god was a slave driver, it's the liquor he focused on giving the people, but the damage done by his original liquors is hard to combat. in order to give people hope, you have to speak in terms they understand, you need a unifying strategy that they care about. right now, that's the epstein files. a lot of the left and the right working class people think there's a conspiracy of the elite to participate in a vast sex trafficking network. that's why we've been so focused on not letting any distraction work.
as for why i cited hannah arendt: i don't think her being an immigrant detracts from my point. i don't think immigrants are intrinsically different from us, nor do i think any nationstate is intrinsically different from another. it was nazi germany in the 1930s, it's the united states today. if we don't educate the children and show them how to build a better world it will be whatever new power emerges 20 years from now after another 60 years. hannah arendt's insights that all of these horrible things happen over and over again with a great deal of consistency and the only cure is patient education are extremely valuable. yes, we lack the time to do patient education if everyone is to survive. a degree of wielding violence in the name of community defense is necessary. but treating the pain of the ignorant will not help you. denouncing the people who cause this pain will.
remember, the greatest illusion of all is the illusion of separation. authorities of every kind have used this illusion to prevent solidarity amongst the working classes since the beginning of written history. our path to liberation from this scheme involves realizing the propaganda works, and that if we want to help people escape the propaganda that's programmed them, we have to produce propaganda for them that will deprogram them. to do this we can't go to our echo chambers and yuk it up at their expense. our disdain for them that we foment in our echo chambers will leak out and ruin the whole thing.
and no, i'm not asking you to accept transphobes like someone else said. i'm asking you to stop accepting the things you cannot change and work more to change the things you cannot accept. almost everyone here had to go on a journey to get to the position they now are in. think back on the person you were before you saw the world for what it is. what changed you? for me, it was people in my life telling me i wasn't seeing the whole picture. it took time, but eventually i got it. that there is any leftist thought that exists in our sea of right wing propaganda indicates that people's minds can be changed and improved upon. but you have to be considered about how you do it. don't play the right's us vs them game. they want you to play it. that's their entire goal: make us seem unreasonable to the people in their thrall.
No choice now...
Farmers will sell their land to someone with more money.
More consolidation is what this country needs. /s
Sketchy ass site.
There is a Snopes page about it.
I saw that they claimed that. Real news sources provide their sources, they don’t just say somebody else said stuff (which is what the entire article is doing).
I’m not asking for the source. I understand how to search myself. I’m stating that, no matter how accurate this article might be if you go and look up the info yourself, you shouldn’t trust websites that say things like “it’s reported” and then don’t provide links or sources. I can say all I want that “Snopes says ‘trump eats babies’ is a fact”. If I don’t link that source, as a news website you should not trust me. There’s no reason to exclude it, except to normalize not providing your sources and then later on you can slip in whatever bullshit you want because now nobody has a source to check when you state things.
Snopes provides multiple sources.
that page must really be sketchy!
Oh NO! ALL they wanted was to be able to Kill Black Kids on their Driveway! They DIDNT know it would Effect their WALLETS too!
Two in the thoughts, one in the prayers.
Oh no! If only there had been some way for farmers to know this was going to happen! Like Trump telling them it was going to happen! Or every economist in the country warning it was going to happen! Or Trump doing the same thing in his first term! WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN???
It still amazes me that they are surprised. They lived through it the first time. It wasn't fake news It was their own reality.
Trump had no control, deep state did it obvs /s
If only there had been some way for farmers to know this was going to happen
Midwestern Dems are sprinkled with nativist, anti-China, police gimp politicians that overwhelmed their GOP colleagues. So it's sort of a crap shoot. You might get a Tim Walz or you might get a Pete Buttigieg or you might get a Terri Sewell.
Just "Vote Blue No Matter Who" isn't a panacea. Not when so many Dems are cuddling up to the Cheney and Bloomberg brand of Republicanism, even as they fervently reject Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib
WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN???
Biden had four years to reverse Trump policies, rebuild ties with our largest trading partners, and prosecute the corrupt officials in the prior administration.
Instead, he continued the War on Migrants, tried to shut down TikTok while flooding Israel with cheap munitions, and gave a DOJ sized shrug to fascists big and small.
These decisions cost his party 6M votes between 2020 and 2024.
I thought "blue no matter who" was a call for the general election because at the federal level the alternative is the republican.
Then to change the direction of the party you have to be involved far ahead of the election in the candidate suction process.
... not that they're necessarily going to listen. The forced two party thing we have going will probably always corrupt the "good" party if there is one.
Yeah dude, this is Biden's fault. 🙄
Bullshit. In this case our reality is so twisted that this is the time to vote blue, no matter who. Anti-fascist, no matter who. Least unethical, no matter who.
I look forward to the day when all major candidates are not channeling evil supervillains, who care about their constituents (not just enriching their friends and corporate benefactors) and can articulate a platform toward their concept. I look forward to the day we can relate to “both sides” again, to the day we can debate the merits of different proposals. I too wish for that utopia where it’s reasonable to choose on who has the best plan.
In the meantime it’s just not ok
In this case our reality is so twisted that this is the time to vote blue, no matter who.
That's how you end up with a Congress and President who continues to pander to fascism from the liberal side of the aisle.
We played the "Vote Blue" game with Biden and he pooched it. Burned another generational opportunity for reform so he could placate his friends in Israel and Wall Street.
I look forward to the day when all major candidates are not channeling evil supervillains
You can't look forward to it. You have to champion it. That means actively opposing Democrats who are complicit in the horror.
In the meantime it’s just not ok
This is the mentality that continues to propel Andrew Cuomo's campaign.
Great depression 2.0 is here. These morons got Hoovered Trumped and now we'll get to see farmers setting soybeans on fire to collect insurance instead of feeding people.
It means they're going to ask the FDA for as waiver on how long they can keep it and how much can rot before it all has to be tossed.
Ie. Food will just be less safe
It's not a dire situation for the people who want his land.
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPENING. AGAIN. AFTER HE CAMPAIGNED ON LITERALLY THE SAME THING THAT CAUSED THIS THE FIRST TIME.
Oh no.
The consequences of your own voting.
Just like Canada is, China is specifically targeting people who voted red and I have zero sympathy. In fact, I applaud them in this instance.
Every one of these people had more than 8 years to see what Trump was like before voting.
It’ll probably be hard for them to buy some tarifer potash and fertilizer next year after their reduced sales this harvest, but it’s what they wanted.
This isn't even a "I never thought leopards would eat MY face" this is more "I specifically asked for my face to be eaten by leopards".
What's that you say? Soybeans are a complimentary crop for corn, and those same soybean farmers will now have to carry this utter loss into corn planting season? I wonder how many farmers fail this season and don't plant next season.
I’m lost, can you explain this?
Need to rotate and harvest them so they can perform their complimentary soil amendments naturally. Farmers can’t repeatedly grow the same crop or the soil will go bad.
So now they’re stuck with increasingly difficult choices. Pay to harvest and store them with no buyer, figure out what to do with the harvested beans later, thus paving the way for next year’s corn crop, is the likely choice. But now they’re going into debt because no bean income and corn seed isn’t free, plus they’ll need to empty those grain silos at some point before the corn harvest…and I don’t see this admin making any trade deals between now and then.
In other words, prepare to pay even more in taxes to bail the farm corpos out again so they can buy up the remaining small farms which will fail from this mess.
Important notes: bail them out AGAIN because Trump already fucked over American farmers and bailed them out last time. They aren't even feeding us. They're product exporters. Farmers in a rut will scream all day about how they're feeding the American people but there are TONS that sell exclusively outside the US, often to the detriment of all parties involved here, because it's more profitable.
It's something aling the lines of corn sucks up nitrogen from the soil like crazy. While soy is a nitrogen fixer. It adds/ pulls nitrogen into the soil. Something along those lines.
Rice and beans, friend. And you got lots of beans to eat.
Man is racism expensive.
I am just a single persom, and have been micro stockpiling a surplus 5lb bag of rice, 6 or so cans of refried beans, about 10 or so cans of soup, 24 instant ramen packs...
... each month, since I think March.
Plan to keep doing so as long as I can, and then start literally eating into it when shit gets insane, only buying bits of protein and veggies to throw into the rice cooker/stew pot.
Fucking Great Depression 2.0, this time with live streaming rofl, at least until our infrastructure starts also completely crapping out.
Might be worth it to stock up on some duct tape, get a basic set of home repair tools and a basic medkit if you don't already have one, also maybe a water purifier straw, sewing kit and patches...
...and if you can swing it, some kind of backup battery that can be charged via either wall outlet or solar panels, in the event of grid outage and you still want to keep a mini fridge going or at least have some access to AC vs none.
Also, get a mylar blanket. If you lose power, those things can be taped up to a window to help bounce more heat away from them and keep the heat down... or used as an actual heat retaining blanket when its super cold.
Try to get dried beans instead. They are cheaper and taste better, although take a little more prep.
Unfortunately I am currently too crippled to be able to handle more intensive/time consuming meal prep, but yes absolutely for most people, it probably makes more sense to start from raw beans.
Also shout out to peanut butter.
....real peanut butter, that isn't mostly sugar.
Very good source of protein and... I think also complex carbs?
Also also: Maybe consider a basic resealable cannery set of jars, so that you can store things a while, works for storing way more than just preserving jam or what not, you can use em as cups, ain't made of plastic but they can be used as just verticaly oriented tupperware.
Farmers:
Votes for Trump
Loses business because of Tariff backlash
Gets bailed out
Votes for Trump two more times
Loses business because of Tariff backlash
Who could have seen this coming?
Them. They see your pattern continuing.
Imagine if the government paid you to sit on your ass instead of going to work.
And since your income is no longer tied to any sense of production, you fudge your number a little and end up better off being on welfare than working full time.
Maybe Monsanto or somebody might get bailed out, but smaller farmers won't get a single penny out of the GOP.
We're seeing that play out in Arkansas, as this year family farmers are either driven off their farms (some after 6 generations) or are committing suicide quickly. One of my friends knew a farmer that killed himself last night. They're really thinking the feds are coming to save them, instead of forcing them off the land so it can be purchased by conglomerates.
"Small" farmers own millions in land and equipment. Mom and Pop farmers are essentially a myth at this point.
Listen, there are two ways things can be. A diverse set of farms with less than 100 acres total each, or entire regions of millions of acres dominated singularly by massive corporations.
Small farmers exist, and mom and pop farmers are very real, even if it is inherently quite exclusive.
Incorrect, the banks own millions in land and equipment...
Most smaller farms are mortgaged out their asses.
Source: close friends with a family that owns a farm...
Tough shit and the fuckers voted for this disaster. The corporate farms are going to be buying a lot of cheap family farms.
Methinks you're dancing a little to hard.
Once corporations have total domination of our food production, we are completely fucked.
These "cheap family farms" are worth millions and millions of dollars. Farmers pretend to be hard working blue collar but are in reality wealthy beyond our dreams.



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