Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls β€œthe plateau of sustainability”

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[–] 185 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I assume Hannah Montana Linux is off the chart to the right

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  • [–] 134 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Starting fights today are we?

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  • [–] 88 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Mint, and I'll stay with mint. Perhaps I'm not a good Linux user material, but I just want something that works and doesn't get into the way. You know: a reliable, unobtrusive operating system.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Mint is just perfectly fine, don't listen to the naysayers.

    As the old observation goes, novices use something like Mint because it's there, and it works; intermediate users use something like Arch because they want the control to tweak things in the greatest depths; experts use something like Mint because it's there, and it works.

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  • [–] [S] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And there’s no shame in that! Use whatever works for you and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    There is SO MUCH shame in that, the pitiful noob wont even learn to RTFM, and then I'll have no way to feel superior to them as I dip my beard into my off brand morning cereal #frostedfakes

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Which is exactly what OpenSUSE/Fedora have to offer. It just works and doesn't get in the way. The only real difference between them and Mint in terms of user experience is that they require some more proficiency with the terminal and experience with Linux overall and do not assume user to be a complete newbie.

    So, you're on the right track with Mint. It holds to nearly the same philosophy, and offers you the tools you may find useful as a less proficient user. Keep it up!

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I want to see a graph where X ranges from "ambitious" to "I'm so tired", and Mint is at the end. That's where I'm at.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Linux experts vastly overestimate the amount of annoyance average people will put up with. Most people just want it to work, and want to learn almost nothing. I don't blame them, Linux is a means to an end.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    My guess before reading the comments:

    "Everyone hated that."

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Meh, I'm relatively experienced and just use Ubuntu

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Is pop maintained? When are they upgrading to the latest Ubuntu and supporting HDR?

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Is it still not in beta? I was on pop in late 2023 and left for OpenSUSE TW because cosmic was taking too long and they were still on Ubuntu LTS 22.04. and Gnome Extensions broke on me.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I see it's just recently been announced about the beta. Great that they're hearing up for release. I'm in support of what they're doing I think I realised that I didn't like Gnome (neither does System76 by the looks!).

    OpenSUSE TW with KDE is perfect for me. Not a sexy/flashy distro but it is the most robust rolling release I've seen, and maintained by a European company that has been working on it for decades.

    Particularly like the QC/staggered addition of packages and YAST.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Love me some SUSE. People forget that it is one of the OG distributions out there. Been trying Linux from time to time but only switched completely from windows earlier this year. Been messing with Fedora and SUSE way back as a teenager. Unfortunately my experience with opensuse was laggy YouTube on a complete fresh install (AMD btw) so I just switched to cachyos which didn't have any issues (sooo much better than Manjaro IMHO). Still love SUSE... And fedora. These two will always have a place in my tech heart.

    Edit for typos from typing on glass.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Nice one, Fedora I've been keen to check out. it seems similar to SUSE albeit with a different package manager and no Yast. I respect a quality controlled rolling release.

    How's cachyOS? I'm very wary of the AUR/Arch generally. There must be so many unmaintained packages on there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yast is great but I honestly don't find it all that useful nowadays. Feels to me like most of that configuration can be done through KDE anyway. Still, great piece of software, might just not fit my current needs.

    CachyOS, Manjaro and endeavour OS are all Arch. The main selling point for cachy is the ease of use when installing "stuff for gaming" e.g. gfx drivers and their custom compiled kernels and software packages (basically just other builds of packages on the Arch repo) have been optimized for newer generations of CPUs. Light weight, heavily optimized, customizable. Lots of small optimizations here and there. You can do the same on Arch but I don't want to bother. I know what do to and how to, but been there done that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah TBH Yast is more of a GUI for accessing the backend settings when I can't be bothered looking up cli commands, but nice to have.

    Ah, CachyOS being gaming oriented makes sense. My dream rig is a SteamOS 9070XT build so I can have quick resume on the PC. I thought Bazzite could do that game mode setting, so was considering that as the eventual next PC.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not gaming focus as such, but the optimization of kernel and packages, tweaks and use of the BORE scheduler gives some performance boost. Tests show this. This of course is good for gaming but they also have a great wiki on setting up for gaming and includes some config/setup scripts that makes it a little easier to set up, e.g. cachy versioner of Proton.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've been using Linux since you created a boot floppy by using dd on the kernel. I use Ubuntu because I just want something that works, is stable in the LTS sense of the word, and I don't have to futz with. I've heard enough about Mint now that I'll probably switch over to it when I build my next machine in several years.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’ve been using Linux since you created a boot floppy by using dd on the kernel

    Wait, is that not how you do it anymore? I swear, I just went through trialing a few more distros, and I dded like crazy.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You might have been using dd to burn an ISO image onto a USB stick or some such, but sincerely doubt that you were writing just the kernel to the first sector of a 3.5" floppy disk and then booting off of it, while it found your ISA hard drive.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Been maining Linux mint for 3 years now. I did distrohop once to nobara to see if the grass was greener on the other side, but had to revert due to Nvidia.

    ... The grass wasn't green, but tasted exactly the same. Apart from Nvidia (which isn't a distro issue but more shitty company that can't make things right), the only noticeable changes is going from cinnamon to KDE.

    There's no "stupid distro" nor "smart distros". Everything is valid. (Although I'd argue that Linux mint is the best beginner distro, to let people get into Linux gently before eventually trying something else)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was going to say - what’s wrong with Mint?

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  • [–] 137 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    why is manjaro there twice? it's a horrible experience no one in their right mind would return to

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    This is perfectly normal.

    It also works with a Gaussian: (Noob) haha Fedora go brrr -> (angry advanced) nooo you must use Arch/Nix/Gentoo/Slackware -> (Linus Torvalds) haha Fedora go brrr

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Fedora fucked up my PC way more times in a year than Gentoo did in 3.

    I'm not leaving Gentoo.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I've updated fedora releases for like 10 years with zero issues, even went from one laptop to the other and dd'd three times to new SSDs without reinstalling.

    I think it may be you who fucked up your PC.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    It was nvidia drivers mostly.

    And it was 12 years ago.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah I had lots of problems with Winmodems on Slackware 20 years ago, definitely a bad distro too!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I switched to Ubuntu then and has no issues since.

    So yeah.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Except Fedora is actually fine as an option. Though I had my share of troubles setting it up, and their decision to ditch X11 forced my hand to OpenSUSE when I went for it the second time. Had no regrets so far.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I love my Manjaro. I always come back to it… but I may not be in my right mind.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    To be fair, it's OK. Just you might want to check out EndeavourOS when you need to format your PC again.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have both and I like them almost equally.

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  • [–] [S] 82 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    β€œMaybe I was the problem?”

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Manjaro is a tempting option when you want Arch without being competent enough to confidently operate Arch.

    Been there before. Had it for over a year for the first time, but quickly noped out on the second try.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Look, don't judge me, but manjaro has been the only distro to just work. I haven't been fucked by nvidia drivers that I know of, I haven't had any glaring issues... I'm not saying I disagree with the criticisms, but as a 'just use the fucking computer' distro, it's great.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As someone who ran Manjaro as my first Linux for 1,5 years, it's a breeze to set up and everything just works...until it doesn't.

    What screws it is that eventually, over time, something goes wrong. Something breaks here and there, new bugs appear, and without Arch proficiency that is not really expected of a Manjaro user, it's next to impossible to track it down. So, eventually one has to reinstall.

    I've been a strong Manjaro proponent back in the day, but now I see its flaws, unfortunately. I wish it could be a great option, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lol, that does make me wonder. I think I changed the boot process from silent to visible at one point, because it wouldn't boot if the silent option was enabled.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's...very odd :D

    Especially if it was GRUB. This thing normally just works on any distro, even the less stable ones.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    I don't really care about others but please avoid Manjaro they had some shady finances and apparently don't manage their certs correctly

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This probably outs me as an old fart, but my first computer experiences were with assembly and BASIC intepreters, then things like COBOL, Fortran, and Pascal.

    I remember when Bill Gates got his panties in a wad over people sharing MS BASIC and always tried to steer clear of M$ products from then on, although I did have the common misfortune of having to use Windows in several work environments throughout my career. Luckily, the last I ever had to touch as an admin/user was Windows 7.

    My personal desktop OS history is as follows:

    Solaris -> OpenBSD -> Slackware -> Debian -> SuSE -> Mandrake -> Gentoo -> Redhat -> Fedora -> Sidux -> Arch -> OpenSUSE -> Mint.

    I stick with Mint because I don't want to spend my time tinkering on the OS, and it makes helping all the noobs/non-techies I have convinced to switch to Linux over the years that much easier. This is well over a hundred at this point, and you know who most of them come to when they have a problem. With Mint, they seldom have any issues.

    The years I spent tinkering taught me a lot, especially on the rolling OSes, but these days I appreciate having a system that just works reliably, so I can spend my time tinkering on my own projects instead. I have VMs for other OSes as needed anyways.

    Now you damn kids get off my lawn!

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  • Debian is love. Debian is life.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    i'm on NixOS

    ...and I've been on NixOS for mount stupid, valley of despair and, perhaps, the plateau of sustainability

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Truely don't understand how this one became popular. But I'm sure it will fade like Crunchbang or a dozen others before it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's the most unique distro to date, and has all the strengths the others. Because it's not a tool for building distros, and NixOS is just the posterboy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Seems like reinvented silverblue

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Silver blue is just an OSTree implementation. NixOS is deterministic. Think of it as, the distributable for silverblue is an immutable system image. Whereas, the distributable for Nix(OS) is a blueprint for anything, including immutable system images, or something more customized. You're also exempt from the downsides of OSTree.

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  • NixOS came out in 2003, crunchbang came out in 2008. As someone who swapped to NixOS after reaching the "plateau of stability" and realizing I needed more power, while the distro is a clusterfuck that shouldn't be as popular as it is. It has some very clear and defined use cases, so I don't see it dying any time soon.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Ubuntu and Mint need to be repeated on the far right (the actual Sesame Street definition of "right", not Nazis)

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Seriously. I feel like the people I know who know the most about computing have the least preferences for a distro, if they even use Linux at all.

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