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[–] 22 points 1 year ago

doctors say

That's some Daily Mail level journalism right there.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Well then; good thing I'm an adult.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Isn't it odd how proven health hazard are never banned, but anything healthful faces uphill battles to market?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don’t think I would call vaping ‘healthful’ exactly. But I get the point, like they are working so hard to ban vaping but leaving cigarettes out there?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Uh, I was talking about say organic produce not watered with cracking fracking waste and cleanly, humanely farmed food from farm to packing and processing to shipping to consumer, rather than banning vapes, cigs, alcohol (also noting reefer/ayahusca which aren't harm-free but can be reduced harm are highly illegal).

    Eta vape is ubiquitous where I am

    Eta autocorrect is poorly named

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Taking the right to consent to harm away from the people is not comperable to offering something that can heal.

    Nobody said vapes and other tobacco products are good for you. In fact, its basically common knowledge to the contrary. On the other hand, if you have a product you want to sell that you conjured up in a lab AND you want to tell people its good for them and not be lying through your teeth you need to be regulated, otherwise you run the risk of misleading the public.

    Then we have the topic of "dietary supplements" which in the US are NOT sold as food and can therefore tell people basically whatever you want about it. Energy drinks, vitamins, chemical supplements and things like that all fall in that catergory. Looking closely at their labels one can often find language stating things along the lines of "these statements have not been evaluated by the fda" because if they were evaluated they would be found to be either mistruthful about what they do or generally unsafe.

    Edit to add:

    Obviously not every dietary supplement is meant to be a dangerous scam, but they should always be taken with the guidance of a physician to ensure you aren’t poisoning yourself.

    Edit 2 electic fluffaroo:

    I got way off topic here, sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Replying to my own comment because edits don't always federate:

    Obviously not every dietary supplement is meant to be a dangerous scam, but they should always be taken with the guidance of a physician to ensure you aren't poisoning yourself.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Nicotine is Bad for children.

    Its almost like this has been proved like 100 Years ago already with cigarettes

    Yet for some reason, everyone is acting like anyone on gods green earth has ever said that it would be healthy.

    Since I had some contact with kids who are Smoking/Vaping, I can anecdotally say that they never do it because they like the taste. Most of the time its because they are fucked up in some other way, like having mental conditions or a worse-than-good family

    And even if Vapes wouldnt exist, they would just get cigarettes, sometimes even from their parents

    But who am I to draw a conclusion after all, especially since I know that they tobacco industry is extremely rich, and I dont want to close off any options, especially if it involves green 174x77mm rectangles with Art in the barock androkoko architectural style

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I'm not even sure I've ever crossed paths with someone who genuinely thought vaping wasn't harmful except for the media and politicians. Most, I think are just betting that it's not as harmful as smoking.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It's because the information is often presented as "Vaping isn't harmful (when compared to smoking)" but the part in brackets is in tiny text.

    Smoking is really bad for your health. Vaping isn't good for you but it's not as bad as smoking and it's a great tool to get you away from cigarettes and off nicotine entirely. Quitting nicotine is really fucking hard which is why people end up stuck on vapes for so long.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Stop vaping. Cold turkey.

    Vaping (nicotine products) is harmful to children. Even if you pretend like there are no other health effects, it is a chemically addictive substance and will have at minimum potentially significant financial harm to a child as they advance through life until they break the addiction (if ever).

    Once someone's mature enough to be responsible for their own decisions, I don't really care what they do. Until then, I'm not really sure there's any reason to advocate for an unnecessary additional addiction beyond the already prevalent caffeine and sugar addictions developed during youth.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did a new copy pasta just drop??

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Damn, I kinda want to see the new copy pasta, but am too late.

    Edit: Checked moderation history, 2/10, way less entertaining than I thought it would be. Not worth the effort.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    What? I thought it was supposed to make them healthier

    - tobacco industry

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Tried looking up the New England study mentioned but don't have access, does anyone have a link? Would love to see an actual study on the dangers of vaping that doesn't cite the vitamin e acetate incident from 2017 or so. I've never once claimed it's healthy, but we are getting pretty close to where it's the same cost for me just to smoke cigs and I don't understand why vaping is seen as so much worse by our governments and the media.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Yeah it's always that, "popcorn lung" which is so horseshit it's laughable, and studies that burn coils down until they're dry and red hot (figuratively you'd cough so hard your lungs would come out, you'd have other problems like maybe literal burns).

    As far as I've seen, some UK studies have shown it's not good for you (which is a strawman, people claim it to be better than cigarettes, not healthy like fucking broccoli. "Good" in terms of harm reduction sure but literally nobody has ever claimed it to be beneficial otherwise), but city air with it's pollution is often worse for you than vapes, so anyone who lives in a moderately large city can STFU, if you live in Unincorporated Loupe Co. Nebraska and have never smoked, maybe you have room to talk shit.

    As far as cost goes, if you can homebrew juice in your location it's an absolute game changer. ~$3/60ml.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago

    Look, I'm as childfree and antinatalist as the next guy, but this is not beeing nice. Do I want them around me? No. But I know how to swear, and you've got variations on "fuck" in a single sentence.

    Kids are terrible, but really? Gotta throw four fucks out there? It's readily apparent that you do not give a fuck.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Since 2023, Europe has banned all flavored nicotine vapes.

    The article makes it sound like one could still buy them, when in reality, nicotine is a heavily regulated substance. People who want to vape some, need to purchase it separately, then add it on their own.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I mean, wouldn't that be kind of obvious? I know that stuff has to be scientifically proven, but still. Just look at them lol

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