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I'm not really on either side of this conflict, both are assholes IMO.
But it seems to me Israel just demonstrated why it is that Iran wants to have nuclear weapons to defend itself.
Also it was kind of USA that started all this bullshit, undermining and overturning a democratic government in Iran, to instate the Shah as a totalitarian dictator.
So I guess it's understandable that Iran doesn't trust USA, and Israel by proxy because it is heavily supported by USA.
AFAIK the sanctions against Iran is mostly because Iran want's to be able to defend itself against superior forces.
They really want a world war 3
Israel does not want world war 3. They want to seize territory, establish regional hegemony, and build out their ethnically pure, fascist empire. All of that is terrible and they deserve to be wiped from the map for trying. They do want the US to fight their war for dominance for them, so they are trying to manipulate the US into ever more participation in the project. But, world war isn’t the goal.
It's not . Imperial China won't let imperial USA control more of the global economy
They are headed for global dominance anyway, they don't need this.
Major powers like China don’t simply stand by and let rivals control vital resources like Iranian oil, especially when those resources are crucial to their own energy security and global strategy regardless
They absolutely do, don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
USA is fucking up badly, and ruining it for their allies too, China doesn't need to do anything right now.
China may use the distraction to help Russia more, but they will probably just use such opportunities, and silently take over where USA fails.
Iran has no chance of winning against the USA, and Israel wants the USA to get involved. China’s biggest enemy is the USA, which considers Israel a bigger proxy than Ukraine.
Yes that's all true, except I don't see how China would be behind Israel attacking Iran? The west is destroying itself right now because of Trump.
And here in Europe we are scrambling to find footing in this new reality where we cannot rely on USA anymore. But 100% Europe will NOT help Israel in this. And for now USA doesn't seem too interested either.
China is definitely benefiting, but I don't see any indications they are behind it.
I never said that china is behind israel attacking iran.
Just look at france,uk, germany, canada reaction to the attacks. They are blamed iran. They are still supporting israel occupations while claiming they don't
Yes you did:
Major powers like China don’t simply stand by and let rivals control vital resources like Iranian oil
So dumb. They’re not even trying to be less obvious. US puppet. Gotta do what they say. Is there an Iranian military GoFundMe?
I don't know what to think anymore. I hate both these regimes. Bibi told the Iranian people to rise up against their government, and I...agreed with him? I am a child lost in the woods right now.
Bibi told the Iranian people to rise up against their government, and I...agreed with him?
Well, consider how similar regime changes have gone in recent history. Instability, failed states, mass terrorist organization. It's not impossible to get a better outcome if Iran's regime is overthrown, but odds aren't on their side. And then you have the actions of Bibi when this sort of thing happened in Syria - taking territory, bombing them, despite their pleadings for peace. None of this is good for getting a stable democratic governance as societies under threat go authoritarian to be able to act more quickly and efficiently in order to protect themselves. So while on the surface you might agree with Bibi, if you think about what that actually means, Bibi might want something else than that. Another failed state they can bomb if they feel any threat without repercussions because "terrorism" could be a lesser threat than a democratic economic and inevitably military power with much larger population that can wipe Israel if attacked.
They both suck, but one is receiving billions of dollars in aid from the US every year.
One side is a signatory to a nuclear nonproliferation agreement who is trying to create a nuclear energy program for civilian energy, under watchdog guidance for 40+ years.
The other side is Israel. A nation committing a genocide, with the full backing and support of another nation, the US, who itself is the only nation, in the history of the world, to use nuclear weapons. Ever.
You might be forgetting the part about about the Iranian regime being a violent, repressive theocracy that jails, tortures, and executes dissenters, treats women like state property, rigs every election, and bankrolls terrorism just to cling to power
were you speaking about Iran or the US? It’s hard to tell.
One of the things I hate about this is that an all out war will just solidify power and make it harder for the Iranian people to topple this leadership. A shared enemy will distract from the importance of antagonizing the regime.
regime being a violent, repressive theocracy that jails, tortures, and executes dissenters
That's pretty much like Israel?
One side is a signatory to a nuclear nonproliferation agreement who is trying to create a nuclear energy program for civilian energy, under watchdog guidance for 40+ years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mg7kx2d45o
In a confidential report seen by the BBC, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran now possesses over 400kg of uranium enriched to 60% purity - well above the level used for civilian purposes and close to weapons grade, and a near 50% increase in three months.
You can support Iran, their right to nuclear weapons (then deal with the inevitable proliferation to SA), right to self defense and even the influence it seeks as the leader of the middle east, but please don't be naive or play others for fools.
a near 50% increase in three months.
This makes sense. I recall thinking after Israel's previous attack and dismantling Hezbollah that if I were the Ayatollah, I'd now be going full speed towards a nuclear weapon test, as that's the only thing that can secure my regime's survival and by extension the stability of the country (in whatever state it exists). After the last attack, that pressure is that much higher.
It's a great tool to blackmail other nuclear powers to be responsible for your own state's stability against your own fuckups e.g. Pakistan, fall of the USSR and Ukraine, NKorea, putin now. Nobody wants a messy state collapse, they can't look away and risk losing nukes or letting them fall in the wrong hands.
Iran should if they so desire have weapons too. After all, the US and Israel do. Two nations who are doing crimes live in front of our eyes.
For the record, pun intended, “confidential report” means “no evidence.” Remember the Gulf of Tonkin?
There is no such thing as a preemptive strike when Israel has no articulated reason to believe Iran was going to harm them. Iran, by rights written in that silly UN, has the RIGHT to strike back defending itself.
Israel wants a larger war because that gaslights the greater nations into conflict, destroys more working class people, and brings about greater profit for Israel’s owners.
All nations are bad. Do not get that wrong.
But Israel, not even truly a nation, is a fucking terrorist organization.
Sure, but don't pretend it's just for civilian nuclear power, that's all.
A) There is no second source verifiable proof it’s for weapons. Only “super secret promises of proof” by the same people that printed claims hamas has bunkers under hospitals.
B) They should have weapons. After all, Israel does.
C) There have been no indications of testing, something verifiable and easily seen, something necessary to make weapons.
If you think they should have the weapons, why are you so reluctant to believe that they are trying to build them? Pick a lane:
A) Iran would never attempt to build nuclear weapons.
B) Iran has a duty to build nuclear weapons.
PS: btw, I haven't made my mind up on whether they should have the right to them or not (if Pakistan/Israel can have them, these guys can too I guess, but that's too late to fix now), but I bet that all UNSC members and most countries in the UN breathed a sigh of relief at what Israel did (it's just less shit to deal with), even if it was illegal and everyone did their usual theatric posturing for and against the attack.
I think both can be true. It start with one, then US withdraw from an agreement, thanks to Trump, and now trust in the US government specifically after the escalated genocide in Gaza, will be down and they have to Build it to protect themselves.
You can't hold both at the same time, especially as they're arguing that Iran couldn't possibly be building nukes at this point by suggesting that the BBC reference to the report must be false. What you are saying is that Iran is justified in switching from A to B, which I can understand.
Why do you mention “duty”? there is no obligation. I simply mean that they are a state capable of deciding their own path.
B) They should have weapons. After all, Israel does.
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