You should vote dem and organize a real non-dem opposition, be it a third party or by getting people organized.
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They are the more culturally liberal of the two Wall Street parties, essentially the "good" mobster to the Republican "bad" mobster á la "Vote for me and I'll try not to make things worse – for now. Or do you want my friend elephant over there to beat you up?"
(Of course they are lying, they are just far more gradual and self-cucking in their reaction)
They are the liberals covering for and collaborating with fascists. They have no issue with concentration border caps and with the pillage, rape and destruction of societies infinitely more valuable and cultured than theirs.
Just put some rainbow and BLM stickers on those bombers and border patrol trucks and everything is good and civilised again; they are the ones that protect you from "the backward barbarians" after all.
But when all that reactionary violence is funnelled inwards as well, when they loose their imperial privilige, they start to whine about "the downfall of our civilisation".
It disgusts me with such deep disdain, because they are just the keepers of capitalism, holding it nice and warm for as long as they can, until the ruling class requires the backup of fascism to "bring order" back into the world and upon the working class; just so that the cycle can begin again and again and again...
(and also two side rants:
- Henry Ford was given the highest award a foreigner could get in fascist Germany, by Hitler himself mind you
- There is nothing inherently progressive about being "LGBTQ+", you are not subversive, you are not "bringing society forward". You are reinforcing capitalism by making it more inclusive, you are just another consumer target group that will be disposed of once you become undesirable for the capitalists (so the fascists can have one more "common enemy" to rally against e.g.)
From an older comment of mine:
To quote Malcolm X:
The white liberal is the most dangerous thing in the entire wester hemisphere. He is the most deceitful, he’s like a fox. And a fox is always more dangerous in the forest than the wolf. You can see the wolf coming, you know what he is up to. But the fox will fool you. He comes at you with his mouth shaped in such a way, that even though you see his teeth, you think he is smiling.
All their supposed progress and opposition to capital only reinforces and propels capitalism, alleviating the need for fascism just for a little longer (which arises for the ruling classes when the majority of the population grows disillusioned with their lies, be they conservative or “progressive”). In the end only legitimizing the underlying framework (capitalism), without ever threatening it.
TL;DR: scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
Just put some rainbow and BLM stickers on those bombers and border patrol trucks and everything is good and civilised again; they are the ones that protect you from "the backward barbarians" after all.
Voting in our system is like choosing the boss for the final boss fight. So yeah, if you're in a place where your vote could make a difference, vote Dem, but never stop raising hell.
Just think we can stripe down the democratic party and make a leftist party
At least with dems nothing changes (like conservatives claim their party is for)
At least with dems nothing changes
the problem with "nothing changes" is that it in fact, does change. wages have stagnated for decades and the cost of living keeps rising, and dems won't vote to increase minimum wage. meaning dems are actively making things worse for people by doing nothing. dems could have enshrined abortion rights in law, they did nothing and now those rights are lost to a portion of the nation, with plans by republicans to make that nationwide.
I could keep going like this for hours, talking about all the things dems have made worse with their "nothing changes" policy, but I think we all get the idea. nothing changes is nothing more than a policy of slowly making things worse.
um, i see the overton window going rightward, so no, it’s far worse then stagnation, it’s a slow sinking
I will still heavily judge anyone who decided the best, moral action was to not vote.
You can go shove your morals up your ass. You are not some wise guru who has seen the flaws of the system and have risen above it; you are a stupid dipshit whose inaction has made things worse and are too cowardly to admit you may have been just the teeny-tinyest bit completely fucking ignorant on the way the real world works.
They lazy bro. It's an excuse to do nothing.
To be fair, there are a TON of posts here about not voting because of a moral stance. And because those are all bots or paid Russian assets... you are correct. Just a bunch of lazy idiots.
lefties working together to defeat literal fascism challenge (impossible)
Exhibit A:
you're the one enabling fascist to grab power, but I'm the bootlicker?
sure, dude.
"I simply chose not to stop the school-shooter when I could, how am I at fault?"
I hope you know that many minorities will suffer greatly or even be killed because you wanted to be morally superior and not support the lesser evil.
You willingly and knowingly let a fascist grab power, yet you accuse those opposing them of being Nazi collaborators? What does that make you then? A full Nazi?
When people say "we should protect minorities and not harm or even kill them" and you react with "stop appealing to emotions", maybe you're the bad one. Maybe you'd fit in better with the MAGA crowd seeing your complete disregard for human suffering.
Anyway, since you want a new argument, let's do a thought experiment: Do you sleep on the street because you can't live in a perfect villa? Do you eat dogshit because you can't get a perfect gourmet meal? Do you have no social life because you can't find the perfect friends or partner?
If not, then why would you be okay with fascism because you can't get your perfect government?
Why is the only time that you won't settle for anything less than perfect when you aren't the one suffering? Why is the only time you won't settle then when it is the minorities who will be suffering?
I hope you see this. And I hope you see how disrespectful it is to all those who you've failed to protect from unacceptable suffering. If we can't even agree that minimising human suffering is a good thing, then I don't have anything more to say to you.
I hope your plan somehow works out and I will turn out to have been wrong, I truly do. But I am afraid you will make a painful realisation at some point.
This meme is the exact opposite of how American politics works.
You vote for the candidate that represents you in the primary. If your candidate wins the primary, great. If not, at least they're better than a candidate that is the complete opposite of your positions.
You don't change people after elections. That's not how it works or how it's supposed to work.
And where, in this equation, is the "get progressive policy" part supposed to happen?
Yeah, this dude doesn't even realize he agrees with the OP. He just doesn't understand that that is OP's while point.
"Push them to be better after you vote."
You don't change them after. You vote for the candidate that represents you during the primary.
The US isn't a European parliamentary democracy where dozens of parties get a candidate.
You vote in the primary. If people don't vote for your candidate, that's not the Democrats fault. That's the fault of Americans.
Sure, by all means let's mock and other the only people trying to oppose active fascism.
Well, if you mean specifically senators or something, you should say that. "The Democrats" is most likely voters, but could also be any number of individuals or positions of power.
Using a general term and then whining like a little bitch about voting across the aisle when you weren't clear in the first place isn't helping you change any minds or impress anyone.
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