Gavin Newsom knows the popular image of him is of a smooth talker with slicked-back hair, the wealthy liberal who co-owns a vineyard.

He knows, regarding the presidential ambitions he’s hardly hiding, that the biggest question he would face out of the gate is whether he could sell Americans on wanting California to represent their future rather than seeing it as the place where the wackiest liberal dreams go to run wild.

The redistricting fight that Newsom and the state legislature are launching Monday could, he and his inner circle believe, give him all the rebuttals he needs.

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[+] 91 points 1 year ago* (19 children)
  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    He fights for a certain set of billionaires who happen to be less destructive than the other set of billionaires. But don't be fooled into thinking he is going to fight for anyone less privileged.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’ve agreed a lot with Newsom over the years and I’ve disagreed with him just as much. At this moment, I would say he’s got the right intentions to do good here. He would not be my personal primary choice, but he would at least would be willing to press states for better standards and would help stand against corruption. In California he’s at least pushing for the state to use more electric vehicles.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    He didn't fight for that law though, we dragged him to do the right thing, and we sacrificed carve outs to get it signed.

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  • The carve outs are somewhat reasonable, airport/theme parks restaurants for instance are already ridiculously overpriced partly because of the absurd concession fees they pay to exist there, adding a huge wage increase would really be difficult to manage. Restaurants like coffee shops in grocery stores or theme parks are usually store/park employees already, no? I don’t know the deep details but these carve outs seem somewhat reasoned thanks to different wages possibly already being paid…I’m sure there is room for someone to get screwed though. There always is.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    He’s not a progressive at all, he wants to throw my people (trans folx) under the bus as hard as republicunts do

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What's the point of folx? Folks was already non gendered.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I want to know the reasoning before I say it is stupid. It definitely seems that way.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They probably don't want to be confused with the trans folk nation. All the non binary believers will suffer.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I think he’s left-of-center leaning, but postures in a way that is throwing trans people under the bus to win votes from bigots that may lean left, center, or right. Do I think he personally would push for any trans sports ban? Not really, but he is playing it up to win over the voters that for some reason are treating trans people in sports as a hardline issue they are against.

    It’s one of several reasons I wouldn’t want him specifically to win the 2028 primary; since I would like to believe our country still has enough kind people that we don’t need to step on each other for us to all get ahead.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    If he wants to appeal to fascists it’s gonna end the same way it has before. He’s gonna lose because why would fascists vote for the fascist-lite when a full fledged fascist is right there. All he does in the end is make it more acceptable to strip my people of rights.

    Maybe something on the level or worse than the pandemic happens and he can get in on that. But he still did major harm to my people, harm that cannot be undone fully for decades if not longer.

    Either way he is playing with a dangerous ideology that will get trans people killed. Maybe not state sponsored but remember what happened with Nex Benedict, when this toxic hateful ideology becomes normalized it encourages violence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I agree that this type of rhetoric is bad for the long term health and safety of trans people. I believe the move was done to boost Newsom’s own presidential chances in red and purple areas by creating a scapegoat of trans people.

    I feel bad for my friends that are trans because the culture in America, mostly outside of younger generations, has many bigoted attitudes towards trans individuals. I think hearing Bill Maher talk about his bigoted views on people transitioning shocked me at how slow/little the older generations have moved on being accepting of trans people. Maher being a left-of-center boomer too didn’t give me much confidence that there are not swaths of people with even worse takes.

    Unfortunately I believe you are right that it will take decades for things to truly get better for trans people since many of these older generations seem gridlocked in their views. I feel educating younger generations is what is most important in the push back against bigotry, since people are not born bigots but become that way.

    Edit: I don’t think it’s a good thing that people hold these views. Personally, when I see anti-trans bias I call it out in that moment.

    I feel that many of these bigots have not met a trans person before, so they feel emboldened to strawperson trans people as boogeymen.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    His rhetoric isn’t just bad, it’s disastrous because it will likely encourage more people to follow suit in being willing to throw my people away. More violence and murders like what happened with Nex Benedict will become the norm. He won’t pull fascists away from the fascist party, he will lose vote from trans people though. You can’t expect us to support him if he is saying the exact same things as the full on fascists.

    Sadly this isn’t just a problem with boomers and other older generations, it’s taking root in the younger ones too. Which makes it all the harder for us just to live normal lives. Myself and all of my trans friends are terrified, we have to rely on deeply unhealthy coping mechanisms just to survive. It is leading to more self harm and suicides in the trans community. Newsom and other democrats embracing this hateful ideology will, and is, lead to more suicides because it isolates us.

    It will be decades of horrors for my people, ones that many of us will not live through. That’s why it’s so important to call out his bullshit now, before we see how awful it will reach.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I would say the main hope is that he doesn’t win the primary; if he does, it’s a sign for how bigoted the country is currently at that point in time.

    The boomers and other older generations are a lost cause imo. There is still time and ways to show the younger generations that you’re not this made up concept of whatever the hell the Right says. I feel the best way of doing that is by trying to safely show others you exist.

    To me, this current time period looks eerily similar to the Civil Rights era because it is about rights. I believe it will be an uphill struggle to protect trans rights. I feel calling out this reactionary anti-trans messaging is important.

    The Right are definitely trying to pull ‘the conversation’ on both mainstream media and social media to the most extreme ends of anti-trans propaganda. It’s a red flag moment nationally that even some left-of-center politicians, such as Newsom, are flirting with that messaging. I feel that for an ‘ends justifies the means’ person, like Newsom, to be doing that, it means that the there isn’t enough public support for trans people being done. There are people right, center, and just left of center that are being swayed by this propaganda, and pushing back is what needs to happen now.

    Specifically, I feel that getting that conversation focused back on individuals hurt by these anti-trans messages matters, such as Nex Benedict who you brought up. I feel it involves supporting trans celebrities, influencers, and artists so that people can have a face or a name they think of when talking about trans people. I feel more that bigots are forced to acknowledge you, as you are, the less power they have and the less effective their lies become.

    My hope is that people like Newsom, that people that are ignorant, and that those not fully bought into the bigotry can be convinced to change their stance.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!!

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    He's a POS, but I'll take any opposition to the GOP right now. We can deal with the remnants later, but we need to be able to even get there.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Can't wait for him to looselose like Kamala did. Guy probably still supports giving Israel bombs to continue their genocide. Misinformed people will always learn the wrong lessons from elections.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Misinformed people will always learn the wrong lessons from elections.

    Hey Pot... Kettle calling.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    Still wouldn’t vote for him

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I've vote against him in a primary, but will vote for him if the other option is whatever the GOP is doing today.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Man, I’d vote Whitmer over Newsom and I /hate/ Whitmer. Whitmer is good at being a “counter”. She is good at voicing up and objecting to Donald Trump. That’s it. She’s otherwise not particularly outstanding. When Biden was elected and she had to stand on her own, her accomplishments were lackluster at best. Newsom strikes me as more of the same, but worse. All talk, but can’t walk the walk.

    /Harris/ with as many faults as she has, is a better choice than both of them combined and she wasn’t particularly stellar either.

    I’d rather have Tlaib, AOC, Warren (yeah she’ll be like 80 so probably won’t make it out of the primary). If Illinois didn’t have a record of corrupt governors, maybe Pritzker? Warnock might be a better choice.

    Seriously, fuck Newsom dude. That guy doesn’t stand for anything

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I voted Harris and I voted in a garbage democratic senator for my state too.

    I’m not a Democrat or a Republican. Party means jack shit to me. I’d rather vote a well meaning republican (hint: there are none left) than a shit Democrat. I have voted third party for my LOCAL clerk because the Democrat was corrupt as shit.

    I will vote most any democrat at this point in the general, but I have my limits. I’m not voting Newsom. I understand the damage of voting third party, but I cannot vote Newsom. Pick someone else

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I’d have to pass voting in a general election if he was on the ticket. He’s against trans rights, and I am trans so I won’t be voting to have my rights stripped

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Have you seen what his opposition is doing? Literally stripping trans people of earned retirement to name one. Newsom isn’t great but pick your battles.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Okay how about this? I don’t like trans rights being singled out. These are HUMAN rights. Newsom is against human rights. Doesn’t sound so good to toss that aside, now does it?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I’m sorry but the degree of difference between the two is fucking almost nonexistent. One wants to throw me in a wood chipper and the other will happily allow me to be thrown in a wood chipper.

    Sorry that I don’t want to be tossed in a wood chipper but fuck Newsom and fuck republicunts.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Once my people’s rights are tossed aside, then the floodgates are open and all of human rights are as good as gone. I will not live to say I told you so because of the way things are going. But when the dust settles Gavin Newsom will be remembered as being a piece of human filth just like the republicunts he opposes.

    Sorry I don’t want to die for you to have your fucking cake.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    US politics is 2 party, and you primary to move a party in the direction you want. not voting is effectively a vote against the direction you want to go. I don't like the game, but it's how it's played.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I’m gonna vote in the primaries for whoever is willing to stand up for human rights, which includes trans rights. If my choices in the general are a fascist who’s gonna strip my rights and another fascist who’s gonna stripe my rights but now in blue, then sorry I’m not gonna go.

    I actually have principles and morals so I’m gonna stick to it. It’s not worth deciding what color the wood chipper that’s gonna kill me is. I shouldn’t have to accept that I won’t live to see my thirties, accept that I likely won’t live to see the end of the decade but here I am. That’s the reality I have to accept because of people like you.

    It’s sad that people like you think I should just roll over and give up my rights and accept death. It’s sad that you want to use my people and then toss us aside like a used tissue when we aren’t politically expedient.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah they were willing to rubber stamp the expulsion of all Palestinians just so a cop with no allegiance to anything except her brothers job at Uber could be president and they still refuse to accept blame for allowing it to happen. They dont give a fuck about anything except returning to a perceived "normal" where they can finally stop pretending to give a fuck about anyone besides themselves and proclaim job well done for their one vote while nothing else changes.

    "Newsome is a fighter" Gavin Newsom is an opportunist with nothing to offer except fucking tweets and liberals are scarfing the shit down like they haven't had a meal in years. The exact same people who are online shouting down actual progressives and socialists because they dont stop their critique at republicans. They're all full of shit and are giddy that the guy who stepped up also hates Trans people, because that makes it easy for them. They hate being allies, they hate being progressive. They want to be republicans without the baggage. Its disgusting and I'd rather they just leave the party and take their stupid center right talking points to the republicans.

    I'm sick of sharing space with Cheney republicans and pretending like its okay just because they're not blood and soil fascists. We can have our own coalition of people with our own ideas, and the neoliberal conservative fascists can start their own party if they dont feel like riding a banner for aushwitz america. DNC voters are the exact same republicans we had ten years ago but they expect you to thank them for it. We have no obligation to make space for these people and the party is weaker for allowing them in. A left wing party would sweep but democrats are determined to ensure that nobody gets to vote for the thing they've been screaming about for ten years.

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