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Pinning this as it's HUGE.
Live updates here:
https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack
CNN is reporting a 2nd wave of attacks is ongoing right now.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl
Yeah this isn't a small strike. They went after the leaders of Iran and their nuclear sites all at once.
Looks like they got the head of the Revolutionary Guard too.
To be clear, FUCK Israel-
but if you're going to do this, this is the way to do it. War is hell, and the objective should be to do whatever is necessary to bring your opponent to the table for surrender or negotiation as quickly as possible and avoid a prolonged engagement. In any other era we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Again, though, for those in the back- fuck Israel.
That type of flawed logic is exactly what led to atomic bombs being used to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, and is Israel's supposed justification for their barbaric campaign against Palestinians.
Well without that nuke us South Koreans would still be one of many Japanese colony so I'm very much all for it.
The Soviets were about to invade the Japanese empire when the US dropped the atomic bombs. They did this just to prevent Japan from falling in USSR's sphere of influence.
However, you might still be thankful as South Korea likely wouldn't exist otherwise, being instead merely the agrarian South of a juche unified Korea.
No you would not be, USA had the resources to commit to a landing in japan and have less casualties over all
You're not immune to propaganda, do not believe that nukes were ever necessary
What led to the rather tragic decision was the fact that the Japanese did not consider surrendering. Japanese high-ups used their elite pilots like one-off missiles rather than to surrender, and hoped that 100 million Japanese people would 'shatter like a jewel'(一億玉砕), rather than, you know, be alive.
Landing option the US had, Operation Downfall, also included bombing the coastal defense with nuclear bombs and literally obliterating Japan as a whole, so I'm not sure if that would have caused fewer casualties, not to mention it would have been a painstakingly long fight, ultimately leading to more painful exploitation for the victims like Korea and Southeast Asia. Even after the first bomb was dropped, they did not consider surrendering.
I am not saying that the bomb was the only way the war could have ended(although that was something I implied jokingly), and I'm not ignoring the fact that countless civilians died from it. But I don't think any other options would have had fewer casualties, especially from the viewpoint of one of their many colonies that was brutally exploited and suffered.
Do you not think that deciding to commit a war crime by intentionally targeting and murdering over 200,000 civilians, was perhaps a bad call?
Or perhaps intentionally targeting journalists, doctors, first responders, schools, hospitals, entire apartment buildings, is actually acceptable because the conflict will supposedly end sooner?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not a bad call.
As for your second point- in this situation is it acceptable or justified? Fuck no. Is it tactically the correct move, given what these pieces of shit are trying to accomplish? Yes.
Japan was already ready to surrender. This is unclassified now. So how was it not a bad call exactly? Assuming we both agree on my first assertion.
So, in your view, intentionally killing civilians is OK if they're Japanese, but not if they're Palestinian.
Fascinating.
Yes they were ESPECIALLY Nagasaki
A second one was not needed, that is easy to prove and I remain unconvinced the first bomb dropped was necessary either.
Iran was barely doing anything the last few years? the sudden attack seems likes its distraction from all those protests.
You talk just like a zionist under cover
Not everyone who hates Iran is a zionist
You know when you make a statement, then say “but” it negates the statement, yeah?
"I'm for euthanasia but I think we need to introduce it in a way that doesn't reduce access to healthcare"
What part was negated?
"The clock is broken, but it's currently right."
Something can be wrong 99% of the time. Pointing out the 1% doesn't make the other 99% good, or that 1% wrong as well.
Not to diminish the other grave consequences of this strike, but because of Trump's tariffs and other erratic behavior, the U.S. economy is teetering on the edge of recession. This strike has already caused oil prices to jump significantly, which will almost certainly speed the onset and deepen the depth of the coming recession.
Funny how the US diverted 20k drones from Ukraine to the Middle East recently, wonder where they will end up…
And funny how the US embassy there was emptied a few days ago, citing "tensions in the region." Almost looks like they knew, doesn't it?
They did know… it has been explicitly stated that they did. They're just saying that they don't take part in it.
Which is also bullshit. At the very least they provided refuelling and intelligence.
Presumably it is to discourage Iran from attacking US assets in the region, knowing that the US have weapons that they can use to counter-attack. Any counter-attack needs to be against Israel alone, not the US. That's what the US wants.
Except for the weapons we sold them, the intel reports we provided, etc, etc.
No US involvement
Beyond the billions upon billions in weapons and sales that we've sent them, and keep sending them, of course
Targetted military installations, Israel said. But seems they instead hit residential apartment complexes. So, yet another war crime.
Well this is Israel’s big skillset. They are a culture organized around the oppression and murder of innocents.
Well, I never said they were. They aren’t the only ones being targeted. The kind of pedantic excuse crafting that you’re doing right here, is the kind of nonsensical rationalization that is always deployed when that vicious, violent, predatory nation does what it always does.
But like, did you see how menacing the curtains looked?!?
I sent a screenshot of that to my people earlier - highlighting the discrepancy. It’s astounding how blatantly the media carries water for them.
I hate to sound like I'm defending Israel, but it's possible Iran shot down some of their missiles, which have to go somewhere. It's looking like the vast majority of the strikes were aiming for military targets.
Israel admitted they targetted apartment buildings where leaders lived. Its not a missile shootdown.
If you shoot down a missle it shouldn't explode on impact and cause massive building damage like we are seeing in the photos. The largest thing you should see is like a street sign sticking into a building wall. It's more likely the missiles missed if we are giving credit, but I doubt it. We'll see when 3 days of this shit ends and what targets ended up being hit
If a missile, ballistic or otherwise, is intercepted no the missile will not simply be diverted it will be compromised by the interceptor.
The more complex the warhead the more likelihood an interception will neutralize it.
Even a JDAM or other simple bomb if it is intercepted in the air, is now set upon a path where the explosive potential is dismantled and exploited over time.... in a great rushing of empty air... not a single, mighty bang at the instant the warhead touches the roof of a school or home.
The most extreme example is a nuclear bomb, which is usually treated in pop culture as a type of bomb you have to be VERY careful not to bump into too hard.. but that actually totally misunderstands the terror of a nuclear bomb, the detonation sequence of a nuclear bomb has to go off like a finely tuned wristwratch starting up, something smashing into a nuclear bomb with great velocity and momentum will simply dismantle the wristwratch into possibly radioactive pieces, but they are harmless relative to the careful orchestrated opening to a show that was thankfully permanently cancelled by the interception.
They targeted military leaders in those apartments. So still military targets of some sort.
No. When a military attacks a civilian structure like that they have to prove they acted proportionally, and that they acted to minimize casualties of innocents. Israel never provides that proof and they do this all the time, so absent that poof they are legally war crimes. Its well established law. There is no "of a sort" -- theres war crimes and not war crimes. Israel commits war crimes and this was yet another war crime. They cant just pretend any amount of dead civilians near a "target" is just fine. Thats not how any of this works. It'd be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
You don't have a clue, do you?
Israel's war with fucking everyone around it, is like the bullshit wars South Africa fought with all its neighbours.
This Apartheid regime, like that Apartheid regime needs to end. It needs to be crushed and reformed.
When Barghouti is the president of the post-Apartheid State of Israel and Palestine, we can start having peace. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one etc etc etc.
Times of Israel is reporting a different story on the level of US involvement
"Following the pre-emptive strike by the State of Israel against Iran, a missile and UAV (drone) attack against the State of Israel and its civilian population is expected in the immediate time frame," Defence Minister Israel Katz said in a statement.
Amazing how Israel was able to figure out when the unprovoked Iranian attack was going to occur that they managed to get their preemptive strike done in the nick of time.
/s
DUDE, can we just like, stop, for a moment?
Bullshit! Who in the hell supplied the satellite intelligence and targeting data. You MAGA fucks better do your "patriotic" duty, sign up for 11 Bravo (Grunt Infanttry) and gear up to invade Iran.
OK, I get that Israel has the right to exist but for fucking once can it please just exist for 5 fucking minutes?
Ever heard the saying, "spare the rod, spoil the child"?
This is what happens. Your kid turns into a fuckin bully that punches above his weight because his dad is a cop and no one wants to stand up to him.
And now he's brought a Glock to school.
When your kid start installing his agents in the very foundation of western countries to ensure no one oppose him for when he start murdering innocents and raging wars, please just shoot him in the face and rid the world of him.
Oh the story of Israel's nonsense over the past 60 plus years is so messed up. I made the comparison in jest, but it's crazy.
They really are the worst ride or die ally of all time. And the geopolitical math hasn't made any sense since the cold war ended. Unless you have a secret religious need for the end of days.
It's trying to not stop existing.
By starting a war it's destined to lose?
I don’t see how Israel can lose this war, they are miles ahead in terms of military technology thanks to the US and parts of Europe and if anything goes seriously wrong they will be bailed out by a US invasion force.
"Israel won't drag us into a war with Iran, but if they do we'll go willingly!" - Trump within the last like two weeks
The us isn't invincible and Iran has shown that the iron dome can be cheaply over powered. Ukraine showed military technology isn't that important on modern battle fields, and I doubt Israel is really prepared for a 10+ front war. The us isnt.
All of these assumptions are not assured.
The IDF has a very advanced military in terms of hardware, but the only doctrine they appear to practice is genocide against an enclosed much weaker enemy, which among other attrocities is an awful, counter-productive way to keep a military trained enough to function.
Israel has more of a hyper militarized police force than a military at this point, and the consequences will be severe if Israel is successful in trying to start a regional war... as police are in my estimation are by far the most enthusiastically wrong demographic of people who think they are good at war without having ever actually experienced it (rather they have experienced the mental rush of having lethal power over others... which is not the experience of war at least beyond the first 5 minutes).....
yeah, agreed. I hate to say it, but maybe the worlds only hope here is that the US is as fickle in its support of zionism as it is in every other middle eastern alliance it enters in.
Hopefully Trump will be distracted by some mcdonalds production glitch or a burning need to nuke antarctica so he can mine some mineral he needs for syphillis medicine. Thats about our only hope. The dems are warming up a list of nothing but zionists to run for the next election, so theres no hope anytime soon otherwise. No word yet on giant meteor, but climate change is coming on fast so maybe we dont need meteor. I still have #hope.
They have by far the strongest and most advanced airforce in the Middle East. Nobody else there is flying F35s
If the USA government says it's not involved, that means it's involved, right? Every lie from them is a truth these days.
Hey Israel, do you know the definition of "getting pounded" ??
Because you're about to be. Imagine if Iran takes out their Airbases.
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