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[–] 209 points 1 year ago* (33 children)

Latino men... You know he fucking hates you, right? Or at least, the base he panders to does.

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  • [–] 111 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’m not convinced he has cares about anyone. Looks like black Americans are the smartest men here.

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  • [+] -26 points 1 year ago

    No. If your president says: "please, think on asian people... think on asian people more!", asians will love him. American leftists are American blackist (I expect that it doesn't sound bad in english). If I am not black guy, I wouldn't vote the leftists... but with Trump in right wing, I will think seriously in a suicide in elections day (take it like a joke).

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  • [+] -105 points 1 year ago* (22 children)

    That's really racist of you. Most Latinos are not illegal immigrants. A lot of illegal immigrants aren't Latino.

    You really need to get those harmful stereotypes out of your mind.

    Edit: not to mention that illegal immigrants can't vote. This is a measure of voters. There aren't any illegal immigrants in this poll.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Commenter didn't say anything about illegal immigrants.

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  • [+] -105 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Trump hates illegal immigrants, not Latinos. Y'all already know this, it's common knowledge.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Trump hates everyone. Including legal Latinos. Including legal white poor men. Recently it also includes legal white men who are billionaires.

    Except Putin. And Kim. So it's not the money or migration status or skin color. It's about power.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well, that's bullshit. There are several groups of white, European immigrants that have non-trivial illegal populations, but none of those have been raided. Only black and Latino.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The people being deported are farm hands and meat packers... people who pay taxes. Unlike billionaires.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So you're saying they stole SSNs to pay taxes? So they're identity thieves too?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    You don't need to be a citizen to get an SSN. There's also tons of scenarios where you can end up undocumented after obtaining an SSN.

    Common scenario: USCIS granted you a SSN, but aren't done processing your Asylum status (see - https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110211205 , https://assets.aila.org/files/21f06205-c2ce-4512-860c-f98dfc60d0cb/19091330.pdf?1697590715).

    Another common scenario: visa expired (see - https://www.ssa.gov/number-card/request-number-first-time).

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    Fuck off, no one mentioned illegals. Just Latino men. He hates not white people. He hates white people, too, if they are poor. Or disagree. Or yadda yadda. You get the point? Fuck off with your pretend pearl clutching

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  • [+] -58 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    If you're opinion is that he's a good leader, or should have any power, put your fucking money where your mouth is and go join the ice raids. With any luck, you'll be one that catches a bullet.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I'm a white man in a rural area in the south. Black folks who don't really know me often seem surprised when they hear me say something anti-Trump. And honestly, I understand completely.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Same, but what was really strange for me was hearing pro trump rhetoric come black men here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Do you have any insights on how that works? Is it just something rather gets passed down from parent to child? Because I would assume the education system would try to tilt everyone towards the Republican side there (I'm not from the US)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have anecdotes, but no specific data or insights, I'm only speaking about my experience.

    In some respects, politics is a lot like religion. Just like most Christians were raised in Christian families and most Muslims were raised in Muslim families, it seems like most Republicans were raised in conservative families while most Democrats were raised in liberal families. Obviously this isn't a 100% one-to-one correlation, and there's a lot of nuance as well as a plethora of exceptions.

    As far as education, I only have my perspective of the school system I went to. Overall, I think that most of the teachers were very respectful and balanced whenever political ideology came up. As a kid I wouldn't have noticed it, but by my teens I was pretty observant. There were definitely several notable exceptions, mostly conservative teachers showing bias and attempting to influence us, unprompted. I think the most "liberal" ideology I was exposed to was the one high school teacher who strongly advocated for LGBT folks, but that was generally in reaction to students' homophobic actions or words. Overall, i would say that the education system pushed religious ideology more than political, but of course, it being the south, conservatism and Christianity are practically one in the same.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm sorry but, what the fuck is wrong with Latino men? Please explain this so my smooth ass European brain can understand!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Religious, macho, hatred of other-Latin (Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Domincans etc. have a lot of interrelational hatred), and I-got-mine-ing (pulling up the ladder once they got their citizenship).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I remember 2016 analysis. Texas promised a lot of wall construction jobs. Florida threatened Castro's ghost was going be donated Miami by commie HRC and Biden in 2020. Latinos may be made to hate each other, by country of origin, or ladder being pulled out for those not here yet, for all I know.

    By far the biggest indicator of Trump support/voting intentions is how much they consume "trans normalization outrage porn". Trump's baseless confidence that giving all of America to oligarchs will create more jobs can influence low information/analytical people as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    In 1998 Clinton's secretary of state stent a SWAT team in to the house of some Cuban immigrants to kidnap a child who's mother died getting him out of Cuba but because his dad was still in Cuba they figured the best way to solve the problem involved point guns at people. Since that event Latinos have voted almost exclusively for Republicans.
    My only hope is if there is ever another election they will finally find someone else to hate more than Janet Reno.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is made with the Cook Swingometer as shown here.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/comments/1k2eap4/2024_presidential_election_if_only_men_voted/

    This isn't based on the actual election results of 2024, but projections based on 2020 election data.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Interesting that the Asian men seem more closely aligned with the regional split of the whole country and less so on an ideological basis.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To be fair, it's not a very well defined group. It's heavily split by country of origin and economic status. Imagine differences between Indian men with traditional values, Hmong refugees settled in the midwest generations ago, 6th generation Chinese in Chinatown enclaves, or 1st generation Chinese recent grads from Beijing starting up in Tech, etc..

    Other racial groups also lose out on interesting distinctions (e.g. Cubans are super red) but tend to still be fairly homogeneous in political views historically.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So would you say then that the subgroups have organically settled into regions that align with their ideologies or rather are perhaps an influential voting bloc that influences the overall swing? However, I see your point that “Asian men” encompasses a larger cultural diaspora than the other demos illustrated here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Hard to say but probably not. For instance I mention Hmong because they were political refugees from Laos in the 70s to various parts of the US as refugees, many of which didn't move away after a generation. Only a few hundred thousand but they may make up a sizable amount of Asian in Minnesota and Wisconsin, not getting much say in where.

    If you move by choice, as many modern immigrants do, usually you end up where there's work, like California (and H1Bs and colleges get a ton of well educated East and South Asians). It was enough to make Irvine blue, which was astonishing!

    And older generations? Probably on average close to where they originally landed (most people don't move more than 50miles from home) but of anyone I'd see them most likely to move to like minded places, but work usually influences that more. Keep in mind, anything past 4th generation is pretty dang assimilated.

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Maybe the answer is only letting black men vote next time.

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  • [–] 115 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or we could give their votes more power. Something like... each of their votes counts for 5/3 votes. I think that would be a fair compromise.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Blacks/Asians - Harris wins

    Latino - Trump wins

    Largest Minority hurt by Trump - Latinos

    The sad thing is I find it hard to believe many would vote any different today.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Latino Men, stop listening to these propaganda stations.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's wild

    Non-black folk in the US—your reality has been propagandised

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    What the flying fuck is wrong with Latinos?

    When I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s, Latinos almost almost always voted democrat. What changed? How did they end up voting for the party that hates them the most?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Latinos, especially first generation immigrants, trend strongly toward being staunchly religious and socially conservative. As such, they tend to think Republicans, who are also religious conservatives, will be on their side. There's also a subset of legal immigrants who hate illegal immigrants. Add in that first generation immigrants often aren't fluent in English yet and that creates a layer of information exchange that conservative news outlets can exploit; if you don't translate the overtly racist crap the politicians say, you can make your audience rely on your white-washed commentary.

    As for the folks who's families have been in the US for generations and who grew up fully bilingual in English and Spanish, I'm honestly not sure.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I'd also add that for young men specifically, there is an onslaught of propaganda manipulating their sexual frustration and insecurities into hatred towards women. Trump offered these men a symbolic victory against a world in which they feel they will never succeed financially or sexually. Young men from immigrant families are particularly susceptible to this, since their families are generally more socially conservative and adhere to stricter gender stereotypes.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Because the democrats made the mind-numbingly stupid decision to pivot right like they always do, this time on immigration. No more, "Building the wall is racist," no more, "No one is illegal," instead it was, "We're the ones who are actually going to build the wall, Trump's all talk." To this end, they attempted to pass a bill that would have greatly expanded the president's ability to crack down on immigrants.

    They figured, as they always do, that everyone would simply fall in line behind them as the "lesser evil." Instead, the result was that they undermined their argument that stricter immigration laws were grounded in racism (which they are, of course), and failed to distinguish themselves from the Republican position. Many Latinos have conservative positions on other issues, and, perceiving little significant difference between the two parties' stances on immigration, they voted based on other, less important cultural issues where there was a meaningful difference. It's worth noting that some people have the sentiment, "We came here legally so they can too," and it was only when there was (correct) messaging that cracking down on undocumented immigrants was a slippery slope that would endanger legal immigrants that they were able to be persuaded to set aside other cultural issues. This messaging was abandoned because it was considered potentially alienating the the oh so precious (white) moderate Republicans, who also didn't vote for them, because they're nonexistent/unwinnable.

    This is one of many, many examples of how moving towards the "center" can alienate voters and lose votes, especially when it involves acting against your constituents' material interests.

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Remember when Democrats came away from 2024 trying to blame black men?

    Pepperidge Farms remembers..

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    They failed and blamed BIPOC for their loss while white men and women are why Trump won. And I'm a white dude who voted for Harris.

    And then they claimed they support Black Lives Matter. Brown people matter if they win, they don't care and will blame you if they lose.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    If you're white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces. I do, and as soon as they see you are white all you have to do is ignore 1 racist comment and these people open all the folds for you. Its time to get dirty with the people spreading the dirt. The right wanted a revolution? They'll get it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Buy guns, learn to use them safely and effectively, stock up on supplies to defend your family and community if the worst happens.

    You will inevitably interact with plenty of racists in that process.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you're white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces.

    I'll pass

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not for everyone. The main reasons to 'change sides' so to speak is to simply get a vote in their primaries.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I get in there, once I'm trusted I talk about what they actually want from society, and then subtly make a pointed question if thats what the GOP is doing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I always get them to question things and thats the most important part.

    Soon it won't be enough though.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Tried it; it doesn't matter, in my experience. Conformity is way more important to these folks than they pretend, and once something like this starts getting traction, it gets labelled a thought crime and sealed away.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Did you actually build a relationship? Or just talk to someone in public? If you dont get to a first name basis its not gonna work. Its ass but, a lot of these people aren't hate filled monsters. The wools been pulled over their eyes. There is no consensus reality anymore. Most people aren't equipped to handle that. I've converted only eight people this way, but thats eight minds that have been rehabilitated to ask questions and seek multiple sources.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Believe me I have tried.

    They're so scared of what they think is socialism, but what they describe is actually communism.

    They don't know why either is bad, just that China has it and they don't want it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yup, you back them into a logical corner which should cause critical thinking and doubt. Just turns into "what about this unrelated thing?" Five minutes into the discussion you realize you can't convince them because they see politics as a team sport.

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