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[–] 156 points 1 year ago* (29 children)

The workaround: Switch from Adblock Plus to uBlock Origin.

ABP has had random issues that break it often for years now. It's crap.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    The workaround

    Quit using YouTube directly and proxy your request through an Invidious instance.

    Your requests are mixed in with everyone else’s, ad’s are blocked and most importantly only 1 machine touches YouTube directly and that’s the server hosting Invidious.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Not a solution for most people, unfortunately...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Could you elaborate on why not?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Most people don't even know what Invidious is, let alone the fact that there are other video hosting sites that aren't youtube (Vimeo, for one).

    Invidious is always breaking, too, and most people will stop using it when that happens.

    We are talking about most people, not the absolutely tiny minority of technical users who are aware that such a thing as Invidious even exists.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I wonder what percentage of views are done with a general purpose web browser vs. YouTube apps on phones and TVs. Otherwise, yeah, if you have a web browser it is an option. And since this thread is about browser extensions, I too am wondering what they meant.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You see how often growing youtubers complain about more than 85% of their viewers are not subscribed to the channel, or how just some videos have more views than their main content? The issue is that Invidious doesn't have the algorithm Youtube provides to everyone, and that not a lot of people really watch their subscribed page.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    more than 85% of their viewers are not subscribed

    Why would you have an account in that hellhole?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Some of us made Gmail accounts long before Youtube even existed, and still rely on youtube for tutorials and other things of that nature that aren't found anywhere else.

    Don't be a pretentious dick about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was just thinking that I should host a "how to" peertube instance.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You see how often growing youtubers complain about more than 85% of their viewers are not subscribed to the channel, or how just some videos have more views than their main content?

    I actually don’t watch a whole lot of YouTube anymore so I can’t really comment on this here.

    The issue is that Invidious doesn't have the algorithm Youtube provides to everyone,

    But isn’t this what people are trying to avoid when it comes to digital privacy? User data being used in less algorithms?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    But isn’t this what people are trying to avoid when it comes to digital privacy? User data being used in less algorithms?

    Yes. Invidious and other programs, websites and anything else are useful for these kind of things. When you go to another house and in another computer you want to see some video but not affect the watch history of the user that uses the computer mainly. Or just simply watching some video that you wouldn't normally watch.

    But most people who use YouTube actively on their main computer binge-watch. Sometimes they follow creators, sometimes they follow what the algorithm recommends them for the day. Invidious does not have such algorithm, since its a proxy. So, it is really not for everyone.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (10 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Firefox on Android has it.

    But if you're on iOS you'd better speak to Tim Apple about it, assuming he's finished noshing off Trump.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You can have it on iOS as well. Use Orion browser instead of safari and install UBO from the firefox addons store ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I just tried this and I get an alert that unlock isn’t fully available. Seems it can’t access web request API.

    I’ll give it a spin out of curiosity. I pay for Kagi anyway. I’m very opposed to Google.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It doesn’t work properly… Orion still really falls short. I use Brave on iOS just because of Adblock and paywall bypass.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    As much as I hate to say it, if on iOS use Brave. You can disable the crypto shit, but it’s got the best adblocking on iOS, and paywall bypass built in.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 155 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Is this a sponsored article? Bc buying yt premium doesn't seem like a workaround to me.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    I think you stopped scrolling too early

    That said though, there is one ad blocker that still works. Two words: uBlock Origin. Yes, I know that Google has blocked it from its Chrome Extension store, but there is still a way to get uBlock Origin on Chrome that our how-to extraordinaire Kaycee has detailed.

    They even link to what I assume is that process.

    But...

    It costs the same as Spotify

    I used Google Play music and it was awesome, when it shuttered I tried Spotify and didn't like it.

    YouTube premium is worth it just for music on your phone/car, getting YouTube ad free is kind of just a bonus. But there's a couple podcasts I watch on there, and I've found a couple really good channels for all the crazy science stuff that's been happening. Not to mention a lot of UK shows upload full episodes, and there's more than one account that somehow uploads full runs of shows after being upscaled to 4k.

    I really don't understand why so many people are against YouTube premium. It makes sense if someone just pirates all their other media. But people pay for a music streamer and a couple TV streamers.... It seems like an arbitrary line.

    Edit:

    The article is from "toms guide" not "toms hardware".

    The guide has every article like this where it reads like paid advertising. The "hardware" one is a good resource.

    But yeah, pretty much anything from "tomsguide" is going to read like paid advertising for something. I legit don't know if they're affiliated or it's a ripoff site built to confuse people with the "hardware" site.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Three out of four of the paragraphs in the article's solution were spent convincing people of the benefits to buying premium. Still feels like an ad despite the tiny mention of uBlock Origin at the very bottom.

    I do agree that Youtube, premium isn't bad value. But I refuse to support google or youtube directly with my money. If I ever want to support a creator, I can throw them a couple dollars on patreon and help them far more than buying premium ever would have.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, the site is pretty garbage and every article reads like an ad.

    "Tom's hardware" is still an amazing resource, but "Tom's guide" is so shit I can't tell if it's a ripoff site or just how they find the good one. Especially since the sites look the same, just different background color.

    I'm used to it now so I didn't mention that, but for people who don't know about the site it makes sense why they were thrown off.

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  • My reasons:

    • I don't want a YouTube account, that just makes it easier for Google to track me
    • premium costs too much relative to how much I use it (Nebula is more reasonable, which I do pay for)
    • I can support my favorite creators in other ways (merch, patreon, etc)

    I don't pirate. I buy movies and TV shows and rip them to my media server, I buy lots of video games both physical and digital, and I buy books if my library doesnt have it or I want to keep it on my shelf. I'm not against paying for things, I'm against my privacy being violated.

    I watch a few hours of content a week, and I'd be happy cutting down a bit. I don't follow any of the big names, rarely listen to music, and really only watch videos from a handful of channels, most of which are a waste of time anyway. If Google blocked my ad blocker, I'd be fine just not watching YouTube anymore.

    $14 is too much, I think $5 is about as much as I'd be willing to pay, or $1/channel. Give me that and I'll consider signing up, despite my misgivings about Google.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I read that. But the way the article is written suggests that the workaround they're implying is to buy YouTube premium. I am not per se against YT premium, after all its normal business to take money and serve a product, but what my biggest cons are

    1. The price
    2. I already use all of the mentioned premium features and more but for free

    For example: YT music -> ReVanced (background play, no ads) YT App -> ReVanced (no ads, Sponsorblock, no shorts) YT on browser -> Extensions (uBlock, Sponsorblock, block yt shorts)

    If I were to pay for premium and use the regular app, I would lose that functionality and 130€ per year. This money would support a company whose business model involves extensive collection of personal data, which is then sold to third parties, effectively contributing to the global surveillance infrastructure.

    I would rather not use YouTube than pay for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    About YouTube premium :

    1. I don't like the idea of spending money for Google. I don't find it very ethic to use their services in the way I do but no replacement has come up for years. I try to mitigate by donating to some content creators and I would love to pay a subscription to something like Nebula if there were at least 3 people I follow in there.
    2. I would use an adblocker even if I paid. On my phone Tubular is just a much better experience : multi platforms, aggregates my subscription, no addictive low quality suggestions and lightweight while still featurefull (and it integrates sponsorblock 🤫)

    Also on my previous phone the YouTube app was super slow and would regularly crash because of RAM shortages. This was 6 years ago though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The thing about it costs about the same as Spotify is not really true. I have been using Spotify family for a long long time (maybe 10 years). I use it with 5 other "family" members and we split the costs.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This may not get well recieved but yt premium is worth the money imho, but again I dont wanna pay those evil corpos.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think it's decent value but I'm already running extensions or mods to skip the in-video ads, so I may as well just block ads for free too.

    If YouTube Premium ever got an official sponsorblock, it'd become a good deal.

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  • [–] 395 points 1 year ago (52 children)

    Just stick with Firefox and uBlock Origin.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Have you noticed uBlock Origin being a bit hit and miss on YouTube lately? I’ve had it happen a few times lately where the video won’t play, or an ad comes up but doesn’t play. I’ve had to keep refreshing until it gets to normal where it just plays the damn video.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No. It works across all my systems. I never see ads on YT. However...

    Videos not loading or playing delayed: That's a YT feature which they implemented for Firefox users, to annoy them. And to promote Chrome as "the fastest" webbrowser.

    I also have dns issues at home... I should fix them already. Sometimes, a page doesn't load on the first try.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I experience the same issue. All the elements on the page load extremely slow or sometimes not at all.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think youtube might have implemented something that prevents the server from delivering the video files until the expected duration of the ad has passed. This idea is completely unfounded, but this is what it feels like to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Maybe it is a regional thing? I was watching YouTube 30 mins ago with no issues and haven't ever had any unless I open a new tab but don't try to watch until the next day. Then I just need to refresh and it is off to the races.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I sometimes get a popup warning from YouTube that my account will be blocked from viewing videos if I keep running an ad blocker. But the warning goes away after a while and YouTube still works. I don't see ads except on mobile.

    Oddly, they also keep begging me to "return" to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Oddly, they also keep begging me to “return” to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium.

    This is just 'normal' commercial psychological manipulation.

    Returning sounds better than starting, so a small percentage of people would sign up that wouldn't have otherwise if it was worded accurately.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If on mobile, try setting it to desktop mode. Also, getting the chameleon extension and pretending you are using chrome can also help.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I am not an expert so don't quote me here, but I think there are ways of bypassing the agent switcher/spoofer (like chameleon) revealing the true browser you are using... that would actually make you MORE fingerprintable.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I use different shared PCs at work and this happens every time on the Windows 11 machines. Some ad plays before the video, but disappears when I refresh the page. This doesn't happen on the Win 10 machines we still have left. In forced to use Chrome there but everything has UBlock Lite enabled.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (31 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Honest question, but what makes librewolf BETTER? In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. Librewolf is just firefox with those things ripped out right?

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings.

    They're abusing the default and making privacy settings require user intervention rather than defaulting to the most private settings and allowing the option of opting in.

    It's abusing consent, so people move to browsers where privacy is the default option.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Yes. I consider it better because it's preconfigured for privacy, includes UBlock Origin by default, and rips Mozilla's telemetry out. So you never have to worry about them sneaking something new in a later update.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    I'm more worried about the updates not happening in a timely fashion. Is it just a passion project by a handful of devs, or is there some kind of funding?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Update frequency/latency hasn't been an issue in the 2 years I've been using it.

    https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Sure, but what about in 2 years from now?

    I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again.

    I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you use Firefox sync already?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yup. Switching won't be a big deal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Librewolf has sync disabled, but if you enable that it's as easy as signing in. If it goes to shit like you're worried about, you still have it syncing

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not worried about data loss. Honestly, the only feature I actually care about from sync is open tabs and recent history, since I'll often open something on one device that I was using on another. I don't really use bookmarks or saved passwords.

    My main concern is security. I don't want my machines to be susceptible to malware, and with browsers being very complex, I want to make sure the dev team is very responsive in shipping security updates.

    The main reason I use IronFox on my phone is that it works with FDroid, which is important because I don't have Google Play running on my main profile (I use GapheneOS). If the flatpak is updated within a few days of Firefox consistently, that's good enough. But if it takes weeks or more, that's too much.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained?

    Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number.

    I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same.

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  • Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now.

    And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Librewolf doesn’t just block Mozilla telemetry, it also has an easy to understand default for cookies and privacy settings so someone who isn’t a computer expert can rely on the librewolf’s defaults to keep trackers from being able to build a profile on you.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    There's benefits to us not tweaking privacy settings. TOR explicitly discourages it. You don't (always) get fingerprinted by a single unique item, it's through an ensemble of data points that companies can identify who you are. There may be 10% of users with your same font library, and 1% who has the same monitor width, and 5% with the same time zone, and voila, when you multiply those percentages, you get close to one in a couple billion, and they've successfully fingerprinted you.

    If everyone tweaks their settings from default Firefox, you reveal more information about yourself each time. You may think you're protecting yourself, but the reality is the opposite, you're creating a one of a kind browser config. This is where Librewolf can really reign supreme, if we all just use stock Librewolf, no one will be unique, and everyone will be anonymous.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sadly i have to stop using it. Librewolf has start getting some graphic bug, i also can't upload pictures to some website (it show just lines). Now i'm trying Floorp.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is caused by not allowing the website to access your html canvas data. You can fix this in the address bar by clicking the icon on the left of the URL to grant permissions.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    To add to this.

    This isn't a bug, it's a feature.

    Canvas data gives a lot of datapoints that websites can use to fingerprint your browser. This allows them to track you across multiple sites even if you're blocking ads and pi-holing tracking services.

    There is an unavoidable tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy. Privacy features are inherently less convenient than allowing everyone access to everything.

    You could disable canvas blocking globally (I'm assuming, I haven't looked) and the problem would go away, but you've then weakened the privacy protections that were built in to the browser.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    As much as I like Librewolf as concept and ideology, I can't keep thinking that if there's a Firefox 0day, Firefox gets patched first, Librewolf later, and I'm potentially exposed for longer. That's why I prefer to stick with upstream.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The article even links to a guide to get it on chrome

    That said though, there is one ad blocker that still works. Two words: uBlock Origin. Yes, I know that Google has blocked it from its Chrome Extension store, but there is still a way to get uBlock Origin on Chrome that our how-to extraordinaire Kaycee has detailed.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, author of this article, paying for premium is not a workaround.

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Tom’s Hardware, Ad Block Plus, paying for YouTube Premium as a “work around”?

    Guys this content was by boomers for boomers

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Guys this content was by boomers for boomers

    Tom's Hardware sold out looong ago, sold in 2007 to some faceless consortium. The original "Tom", Thomas Pabst, who is GenX and not a boomer btw, has had nothing to do with the site since.

    The editor of this article looks to be a millennial btw.

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