My buddy says "chasm" with a soft ch. We've tried to correct him. He doesn't hear us. He also pronounces "tome" like "tomb".
We play DnD together if anyone was wondering why these words would come up with any regularity.
My buddy says "chasm" with a soft ch. We've tried to correct him. He doesn't hear us. He also pronounces "tome" like "tomb".
We play DnD together if anyone was wondering why these words would come up with any regularity.
I had the misfortune of pronouncing rapping as raping in front of the class when I was 13
I speak spanish and one of the first cultural shocks I had was when I as a kid saw an episode of some sitcom (can't remember) and there where talks of a "spelling bee" a contest to see who could spell correctly, that was so alien to at the time because in spanish there are just a few words that are tricky, because they have some silent H or a P at the beginning but then I started to learn english and it all made sense.
The "c" in Pacific Ocean is pronounced 3 different ways.
"English: if you can spell our words we'll literally give you a fucking trophy and a scholarship"
We have bees, and we also have really long, ancient words that no one uses or remembers like pulchritudinous, which means physical beauty or Myrmecophilous which is fond of ants.
Just the fact that we can have a whole contest around the idea, and that there's still room for words contestants haven't seen before, illustrates just how insane English is.
English isn't really a language. It's at least three languages in a trench coat.
it's wild to think that we embed miniature copies of Greek and Latin into English, for doing science and medicine. not just words, I mean a functional grammar fully stocked with roots and morphemes. we just make words like "holographic," "isotope" and "synesthesia" (Greek), "accelerometer", "prefabricated" and "refrigerator" (Latin), or hybrids ("television", "microscope.")
English is such a wonderful mutt of a language.
That's what happens when you mash several languages together. A lot of English terms have a Latin-derived and Germanic-derived word meaning the same thing.
Just use the Free Dictionary
Press the little buttons on top:

It’s called a dictionary, and they’ve been doing it for literally years at this point.
The pronunciation guide of a dictionary is pretty fuckin esoteric at this point.
I was educated in the 80s and they still didn't teach us how to pronounce words using the dictionary.
Same with the 80s. My Gramma who was a school teacher in 1933 taught me out of a 100 yr old dictionary. In all the times I've moved, I've managed to hold onto that huge, leather-bound book.
You can live your life to the fullest even if you don't know phonetic alphabet
Can you, though? Can you really?
You don't need to. The Free Dictionary has buttons on every word that speak the word in either US or UK English
*literally hundreds of years
The American Phonetic Dic-tionary of the English Language, edited by Dan S. Smalley, Cincinnati, 1855, has a unique interest. The oldest English dictionary to be printed in a "phonetic" alphabet
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/00335634209380758?needAccess=true
oh man, asking a kid in this era to look something up in the dictionary is quite the challenge.
In this book? why? why not just look it up online?
BECAUSE GODDAMNIT REASONS AND SHIT
The dictionary is now online and often includes an audio recording of the word or phrase of interest. Online is not always better than physical, but this is one of the cases where it is likely better. If you're suggesting a less convenient method of doing something, it makes sense to request a reason. In this case I have to agree with the kids.
If you’re suggesting a less convenient method of doing something, it makes sense to request a reason. In this case I have to agree with the kids.
reasons and shit: Today's generation - fortunately in many ways - hasn't developed the skills needed to look something up. While you can mirror wikipedia and we generally always have access mostly - it's still a valuable skill. ESPECIALLY now that AI is crufting up search results rapidly.
Now, if you're visiting a dedicated dictionary site, well then you just have to deal with ads and cruft. None of that in Websters dead tree edition.
Do these always justify a trip to the bookshelf? Nah. But it is a useful thing to do a few times a month so they have experience seeking sources of information that aren't digital.
Knowing the international phonetic alphabet is still sometimes useful, when you have a word without an audio pronunciation or trying to transcribe a particular pronunciation
Conversely, just fucking go for it. Who even cares? Have a laugh about it!
I think mispronouncing weird words you've worked into your vocab is a nice middle ground between sounding insufferable and approachable. Yes I used ameliorate but I also mangled the hell out of it, so how smart could I really be?
how did you say it? Amelly-or-ate?
Heh, ameliorate was a better example word. The real one that always comes to mind for me is debacle. I always read it as de-buckle (like unbuckling a belt) in my head until I heard someone on the news say it once. "Lol, that anchor pronounced debacle wrong ............ wait ..."
Damn now debacle is a word I'm sure I've only ever read and never heard. Is it not "de-buckle"?
I feel like this "awry" for me all over again
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/debacle
More like de-BAH-cle. Like a chicken, bawk bawk.
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When we were teenagers, my sister had obviously read the phrase "faux pas" and used it (correctly) in a sentence but pronouncing it "fox pass".
It was perfect. Like a Mike Myers "what the french call.... I don't know what".
Benefit of living in Australia is that every word is pronounced wrong so it doesn't matter how you say it.
Can't even pronounce our second largest city right lol. Melbourne became Melbin
I pronounced Tagalog tag-uh-log for years until I met my Filipino wife. Tuh-gah-log.
Can't you just type a word into merriam webster and get an audio pronouciation?
Typing requires thumbs; something only primates have.
...another thing that (some) primates have is an island where rich people go to molest children.
Some of these primates are greedy and/or terrible primates, and they don't want you to look up any connection between a primate named Trump and a primate named Epstein (spoiler alert, those primates rape underaged primates and brag about it to each other).
Mate.. This post is about a funny meme about word pronunciation. There is no need to bring us politics here (or any other nation politics for that matter). There are other places you can go to to talk about it.
Folks like you are gonna tell me that I'm doing too much, meanwhile others say we aren't doing enough.
My secret is; I know what to do and when.
Edit: checks notes, amemds notes: microblogs on Lemmy are probably apologetic fascists, or I am very drunk.
Double edit: Lady butterfly!? We were just talking about pulling hair together! I feel betrayed in a small box.
Or you can look up how to pronounce it. The IPA and often audio pronunciations aren't that hard to find, unless you speak a more obscure language
So many of the audio pronunciations are computer generated, I used to like IPA but then I stopped drinking so it doesn't really help any more.
I just wouldn't think to look up a word I assumed I was pronouncing correctly. I'm pretty good at this reading thing, and so I apply the standards, but words like epitome and ethereal are just here to fuck with us.
Tbf a call line wouldn't help you in that case either, which is the premise of this. You wouldn't call about words you assume you know
I can't imagine "ethereal" being pronounced any other way than the correct one. "Etha-real?"
Let me drop this on fleek resource: www.forvo.com The Pronunciation Dictionary. Longtime user. Ya just search the word, and get results from people all over the world saying it in their native tongue with country specified. It's great. Hearing Americans say Gouda (a Dutch town famous for the cheese) is like taking a cheese grater to my balls. No, it is not "Goo-dah" of you. Repent!
When I check the dictionary, it says in the US it's pronounced goo-dah.
It is, because we butchered it. Like how Lohss On-heh-lace is pronounced "Loss An-juh-less."
Well ... what is it then? If you don't tell me I'm gonna keep pronouncing it with my Minnesotan accent!
According to the website (and Wikipedia) it's supposed to sound more like "How-da" with the "how" sounding like you're gearing up to spit on someone. And then other-non English speaking countries do pronounce the g very distinctly, but they still relatively follow the vowel pronunciation and sound like "Go-dah" as in "Go dad" (but if dad changed to dah)
Basically Americans are the only ones who say Gouda like "Goo-dah"
In the interest of not being bullied by my friends, I'm gonna continue to say it the American way because I don't wanna be bullied. My Filipino friends still make fun of how I said "Pancit" incorrectly ONE TIME.
They say it that way because in the US that's how it's pronounced. The argument that it's pronounced differently in other countries, so the US way is wrong, is stupid. Even within a language/country, there are regional dialects.
I grew up in the US, but my dad was from England. There were lots of times I said a word the way I had always heard my dad say it, only to have people correct my mispronunciation. The one that pops into my head was capillaries (the little blood vessels). My dad always said ca-PILL-ah-rees, not CA-puh-lar-rees. Neither is wrong, it's just pronounced differently here and there.
Like the episode of Family Guy when Ian McKellen says "con-TRAH-versy" and Stewie says, "Oh, a CON-tra-versy!" in his fake British accent, to which he replies, "Apologies. Those of us with British accents pronounce it 'con-TRAH-versy.' But how would you know that?"
I am American and I said "Gowda".
That right?

SAY IT RIGHT DUTCHIE
Then can we force SciFi audiobook narrators to use it?
Ray Porter, I love you to fucking death, but you kill me sometimes....
I loved The Expanse, and Jefferson Mays is amazing
But "jimbals" drove me crazy
For Ray Porter, his inability to pronounce "Archimedes" was bad enough they made him go back and re-record a book.
Oh god yes the jimbles on Mays, I had forgotten about that, every time he would say that my brain would go "the what?" It would suck me right out of immersion every damn time.
Having not read this (yet! It's planned) what is the word and how is supposed to be pronounced?
The first time I read the word "undetermined" was in Percy Jackson. I assumed it had some greek pronounciation to it. At some point I must have had to read it out loud in front of the class.
I pronounced it un-debtor-mind
Traumatic moment for preteen me
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