Honestly it's a little staggering how much better web video got after the W3C got fed up with Flash and RealPlayer and finally implemented some more efficient video and native video player standards.
<video> was a revolution.
Honestly it's a little staggering how much better web video got after the W3C got fed up with Flash and RealPlayer and finally implemented some more efficient video and native video player standards.
<video> was a revolution.
Is that good or bad? What cpu? How big is the screen? What encoding?
It's a Framework with 11th gen Intel i5. I've never seen it below 11W while doing this. I don't recall the exact number I got in Debian 12 but I think it was in the 11-13W range. The numbers were similar with Ubuntu LTS which I used till about a year ago. Now I see 9-10W. The screen is 3:2 13". Not sure about the enconding but I have GPU decoding working in Firefox.
It's a youtube video so whatever youtube is these days. I tested with this M1 Macbook Pro and it was using about 7 watts so 3 watts more is pretty good for pretty much anything. I think my 12th Gen. laptop typically draws about 13-15 doing the same thing, but with a much dimmer screen.
Me with an older notebook that doesn't support av1 decoding: π
Obligatory: "Use Debian instead of Ubuntu. It's basically Ubuntu without Snap."
it was always wild to me back in the day when so many container images were based on ubuntu⦠was like PLEASE debian is functionally identical here at like 1/10th the base container size!
Mostly yes but there are functional differences in convenience. For example the standard upgrade process is completely manual. You have to disable third party repos. You have to change the repos. You have to check if you have space. You have to remove obsolete oackages. And more. On Ubuntu, the software update tool does all that, eliminating a lot of possibility for error. To an exoerienced user, the Debian process is fine. A novice would have plenty of opportunity for frustration and pain.
What? Software Center is GNOME, not Ubuntu. Discover is KDE, not Ubuntu. Debian updates can be done the same way? I don't do any of the things you mention. Using SC or just apt upgrade works just fine.
They're talking about a Debian 12 -> Debian 13 upgrade
On Debian, you get release notes on what commands to run.
Ubuntu has their own software update utility, separate from Software Center or Discover, that runs the commands for you
Ahhh OK. I've always gone fresh for a full upgrade. But does apt dist-upgrade not work? That's what the docs say to do.
You have to at least modify your sources.list.d manually first. For most people, updating sources.list.d and running full-upgrade will probably work fine...
The full instructions are
It takes like an hour? but it's still not "just press okay."
Ubuntu's has broken on some upgrades for friends and they had to do the whole Debian process manually, but it does try to automate the removals, disablements, and updating sources
Edit: instructions taken from Trixie release. I skipped some that aren't really unique, like make a backup
https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/release-notes/upgrading.en.html
It has much slower release cycle and ancient kernel. For people with new hardware it's not suitable.
Unless you prototype in a cpu fab it does not matter, debian 13 came out last week and its kernel is not that old
This is why Backports exists. You can get any newer packages or kernels you need by enabling it.
And Ubuntu LTS doesn't go much farther ahead than base Debian.
If you need to rely on back ports to have day to day function of HARDWARE. Then your OS is not suitable to your use case. Backport reliance should not be the norm for your avg user.
At that point why not just run a rolling release? Debians whole selling point is stability which backports kinda ruins.
A great way to brick your system and enter the package versionning conflict hell
What command do you use to see the Watt used?
I've seen 10-12W easily on 4K for soc without av1. your soc (intel 11 gen) should support av1. try to play the video on mpv (with yt-dlp integration) with various hw acceleration options to see if it changes. probably your browser is software decoding.
for hardware decoding supported soc too I noticed 2-3W of extra power usage when playing youtube from website compared to mpv or freetube. the website seems doing inefficient js stuffs but I haven't profiled it.
Av1 will probably increase power usage. It's made to reduce data consumption
on mobile platforms nowadays power is more important than data. OTOH for servers bandwidth is more important.
What cpu architecture is this?
ngl I expected to be ARM cause of the low power usage.
AMD has been proving that x86_64 can be at least as power efficient as ARM over the last few years (given a floor of performance for like a phone/laptop... I doubt it can get as low power as a little ARM microcontroller)
It seems like x86 was getting so power hungry because of Intel's laser focus on single core performance
That's very good, audio could do with some work
I agree the stock tuning could use some work. As a workaround, have you seen these EasyEffects profiles? The sound quality is significantly improved, but there's still resonance above >60% volume (I think due to the keyboard).
https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/18cngrn/improving_perceived_sound_quality_on_the_fw13/
Easy effects is fantastic, I use it to remove background noise from my mic
Can you share instructions on how to do that? The only thing that I've been able to do to improve my situation is lower my mic gain
I use a gate filter to block sound that isn't up close and loud, it essentially functions like voice activation with configurable hysteresis. Then next I also use a RNNoise filter I think it's called, which is the machine learning noise filter that blocks unwanted non-voice sounds.
If you need a hand I can take screenshots or something when I am next at my PC?
Yes please! Or if you followed a tutorial, a link would suffice too

These are my app, gate and noise reduction filter settings, and the order they are enabled in for my microphone input. I am using the easyeffects flatpak which seems to include the standard noise reduction ML model.
You might need to study the gate settings for a minute to tweak them to your needs, I suspect you'll only need to change the curve threshold (-22db in my pic) to pick up your voice when you speak into it, but not background noises. You can use the db values shown in-app while speaking to help adjust it.
That is very impressive! Although to be honest I question the accuracy of all those estimated power draws. I would be interested to see an endurance test of your battery- assuming your battery capacity is accurate, your runtime on a full charge should line up with your power draw.
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