I think the idea is people are stupid enough to think that if somehow it's proven that Trump did even more awful things his followers would wake up and realize that he is awful, I just don't see that happening.
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I think it's more that the Epstein files are gettingore.coverage than the destruction of our faux democracy
The effective declaration of martial law in DC is getting plenty of coverage and people here (and elsewhere) are still dismissing it as a distraction from the Epstein files. This is more of a head in sand business.
"Epstein distraction" is basically a meme at this point, and online people love regurgitating memes.
Do we actually think that if we bring it up in our online spaces often enough, they're actually going to hold Trump and the rest of the rapists accountable? They see us as sheep, being "aware" and nothing else only makes us bleating sheep.
Yeah. The thing is that it is a distraction from the Epstein files. But it is also distraction from all of his previous crimes, because that is how he has always functioned. He is a barrage of shitshows to distract from any individual shitshow. That was his previous adminstration as well. So even without the existence of the Epstein files, he would still be doing all this shit, it is just what he does. He normalises his crimes and his fascism by constantly doing new crimes and fascism.
And yes, the military deployment in the capital is pretty ominous to put it mildly.
As far as I know, nobody cares about democracy.
The absolute level of sarcasm you unleash by telling a leftist more than one thing is bad.
Golly gee, if only some group had noted that we needed all hands on deck to prevent the fascists from being installed into power and destroying democracy before all this came down.
Luckily, many brave souls took it upon themselves to campaign that voting Dem was unconscionable under any circumstances. Thanks, guys!
Any number of murdered minorities is worth Teaching the DNC A Lesson(tm), after all.
Proof that people abstaining from voting dem resulted in trump winning?
The study he's pointing to is looking at why Harris/Biden's coalition collapsed from 2020. It's not exclusively looking at abstentions, but people who supported Biden in 2020 but didnt in 2024.
"Biden 2020 voters who cast a ballot for someone other than Harris in 2024"
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
2020 Biden voters abstaining in 2024 on the Palestine issue alone were larger than the 2024 margin of defeat.
Which swing states is this true for?
It isn't going to matter: The genocide in Israel became simultaneously an issue large enough to decide an election and yet small enough to ignore as a political issue.
The argumentation swings both ways as needed.
How ironic considering that the entire argument you continually put forward is that the genocide in Israel is simultaneously an issue large enough to decide an election, yet small enough to evade any responsibility for deciding an election.
Of course, I'm not sure what else should be expected from someone who plays apologist for Ukrainian genocide while pretending to decry Palestinian genocide.
The issue was always large enough to impact the election by causing low turnout and abstention across the electorate.
The protest and third party voters, who turned out and did not abstain, were small enough not to decide the election.
This isn't rocket surgery like hating waffles.
The issue was always large enough to impact the election by causing low turnout and abstention across the electorate.
Yes, which resulted in the fascist victory we are now 'enjoying'. Thank you for agreeing with the point I was making. I mean, sure, you had to play your usual bullshit games first, but what's a ZombiFrancis comment without carrying water for literal fascists?
The protest and third party voters, who turned out and did not abstain, were small enough not to decide the election.
Good thing the source I provided was talking largely about abstainers, but that would require actually reading the source instead of projection.
Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Michigan.
Source? Your link doesn't include this information (or even the absolute numbers of the people it polled).
That's a sample of a few hundred people in an online poll. Not the most convincing evidence
That's captured in the margin of error. Setting aside the validity of their argument, a few hundred people in an online poll is all you need to make population-wide statements.
Margin of error assumes the sampling is random and representative, which of course is very hard to achieve in practice and especially with a laughably small sample size. Not really some magic number of truth as you'd like to present it.
You're right about keeping an eye on sampling but you don't know much about stats if you think 600+ respondents isn't enough to draw any conclusions.
You can start making statistical conclusions from as few as 3 samples and from around 30 you're only getting square root improvements in margin of error. 600+ respondents is more than enough if there's no selection bias, which I'd trust YouGov to be able to handle.
Is it? The slide to fascism has been happening in the US for decades, it is simply continuing, at the same time Trump wants you to forget about the Epstein files, correlation does not equal causation.
That's the point, yes. I'm making fun of liberals who seem to think everything is a distraction from the Epstein files.
That's impossible, nothing goes over my head, I watch Rick and Morty.
I mean, after a lifetime of left/liberal infighting while conservatives lived by the phrase "no enemies to the Right", I'm just happy to see Democrats finding a lever that divides the right and jumping up and down on it.
And if a bunch of high ranking Democratic Party members are on the list too, and they go down with the Republicans, so much the better.
Also, and more seriously - if there's any hope of stopping fascism in the United States, it's not going to be through the corporate Democrat establishment. It's going to be through a left-wing populist movement taking over, or driving out, that establishment, the same way national socialists took over the Republican Party with the Tea Party movement and then memed Trump into office.
And ordinary liberals demanding the Epstein list, and continuing to demand it no matter how much Democratic Party leaders call it a conspiracy and a distraction, is a good sign that the American left is as sick of politics as usual as the Tea Party and MAGA movement were a decade ago.
I understand where you're coming from, but Trump has recently subdued the police of Washington DC to the National Guard to "throw violent criminals behind prison". The same admin tbat bragged about Alligator Alcatraz and bragged about deportations and ICE. We have to take that much more seriously than "it's just an Epstein list distraction", even if it is, because it's serious. It's not like Trump is just talking out of his ass, it's that he is subduing the police to the army, to hunt down criminals, whoever that is.
It seems to be the only acceptable arguing point against Republicans. Everything else is either AI generated or exactly what they wanted. This is the only time they were denied something and it wasn't blamed on the immigrants.
Liberals are against capitalism now? What?
Do you know where you posted this to?
Yes? You should just state your point.
This is an anticapitalist community. Why would I cheer for anyone in this meme.
Hopefully the epstein thing will really lay out that there is one way to stop fascists.
And it sucks and is horrible and tge only thing worse is what hapoens if you don't
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