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[–] 73 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The hardest part about making a browser seems to be restraining yourself just to make a fucking browser.

Customer: I want a browser please

Chrome: Here's a browser with embedded spyware and blatant disdain for your RAM

Firefox: here's your browser with embedded AI for some reason

Brave: Here's a browser with embedded cryptoslop and a dodgy CEO

Opera: What's up gamers here's your browser with tacticool RGB bloat

Microsoft: Here's your spyware AI that sort of also works as a browser that might actually cause Ted Kaczynski to rise from the grave and kill again, to the thunderous applause of all.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    To be fair, Chrome is actually pretty good at some things. I noticed when building an infinite feed of Lemmy posts, Chrome required zero optimization to render hundreds of posts at once. Safari was a different story. I had to rebuild my feed of posts with some pretty complex list virtualization to get Safari to be performant.

    I wish I remembered what Firefox was like at the time, but I don’t. Possible it’s also very performant. But as a developer, Chrome is way more enjoyable to build for.

    This is NOT an endorsement for Chrome. I absolutely hate Google. Just wanted to provide my perspective as a developer. And maybe that also explains the high ram usage of Chrome since there’s some ✨magic✨ optimization happening that Safari lacks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    True, but part of that is Google developed some "web standards" for Chrome only, and forced the others to adapt or be left behind. Also in some cases, websites work better if you just spoof your user agent to Chrome and get those "improved" pages

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I was editing a very large confluence page a little while ago in FF and was getting frustrated with how slow it was getting. I figured it must be better on edge, surely there's been a bunch of optimizations there for the whole thing to have been deemed viable.

    Nope, FF was faster. By a decent margin, even. The editor was still usable in FF while edge struggled just to render it at all.

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  • [–] 118 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Mozilla is falling back to the old stratergy of focusing on features.

    That is the wrong stratergy, they should focus on:

    1. The browser engine, Gecko.
    2. Privacy
    3. Extensions

    Without the browser engine, Firefox is dead.

    Secondary priority should be privacy

    Tertiary priority should be extensions, build a robust extension system, use that to add features for separate install...

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Without the browser engine, Firefox is dead.

    Personal unpopular opinion: Firefox will die the day the first alpha of LadyBird is released. Every real geek will switch to the most unstable version of that new thing because Mozilla has been pissing us for a long time with their CEO bonuses.

    So long and thanks for all the fish as they will all say.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How I long for LadyBird's first release

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I've been rocking Waterfox since the whole MPL/ToS enshittification. Waterfox has kept most of the AI shit out. If I had to guess, those parts require ToS acceptance and since Waterfox can't legally grant usage to Mozilla's servers, they can't be included.

    I'd love to see a true FOSS alternative browser hit mainstream and would gladly give LadyBird a try once it's usable.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The only reason I use Firefox is because of ublock origin.

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  • [+] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ever since hearing about Mullvad having their own ( Mull ), I haven't switched back and I'm glad. Looks real polished and runs a lot quicker on both my Linux running laptop and win10 desktop. Even with my laptop being much better specs, speeds are consistently bad for page loading times on Firefox.

    Haven't checked on how fast Librewolf is, but I'm sure it'd also be faster.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I was wondering why my normal everyday usage started slowing my PC to a crawl the past few days. Very fucking stupid of you, Firefucks.

    When I'm at my desk and working, the last fucking thing I guve a shit about is whatever AI bullshit you're now pushing. I got my PC hooked up to a big CNC machine I'm sending commands to while also designing new items while on a second monitor. My third monitor is for one thing: Keep fire fox open for email and a YouTube video.

    Is it too goddamn much to ask for a browser to just play one video and display my emails?!?!? That's all I need from you. Because, you sneaking this shit in jeopardizes my entire system and hardware when shit starts slowing to a crawl.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Base Firefox is actually dogshit, it's wild how much they've ruined it. LibreWolf and similar forks are the way to go.

    Not sure if similar desktop forks for Chromium exist, but at least there's the "ungoogled" package.

    Either way, just wish I could find a selfhosted browser sync tool that doesn't rely on a google account or w/e. LibreWolf is great for my PCs but IronFox feels far too restrictive for mobile while Fennec doesn't feel like enough. Vanadium is fine but that's a Chromium fork.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I do like the way base FF does vertical tabs, though. The only reason I still main that browser for longer web surfing sessions.

    If I know exactly where I'm going I use LW, though.

    BTW do people really keep the default functionality of LW to clear all login cookies? I know it's more secure, but kind of a pain to have to sign in to rainwave.cc or whatever every new session.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Librewolf also has native vertical tabs :) Not sure if it's the same implementation as FF, but I believe it is.

    Regarding cookies, I've manually added exclusions for frequent, trusted websites, and left the default clearing on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't personally - mine wipes history and a few other bits on close but that's all. I've made a few other overrides for convenience like dark mode and such too. I get this kind of kills the point but there are some things I'm not willing to let go of

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Performance on Android is what's killing me.

    Sometimes I have to open sites in Cromite

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You can disable it.

    Unfortunately, the FF devs disabled the about:config on mobile even though it's available on Nightly. If you open it, you'll get a blank page.

    You need to access it via this URL instead:

    chrome://geckoview/content/config.xhtml

    Then, search for browser.ml.enable and double tap it to toggle it off. On the desktop version, the setting is browser.ml.chat.enabled

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I was referring to the general performance of Firefox android regardless of ML integration.

    That said, I use Firefox beta on android so I can use all extensions and about:config is available on the beta builds.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This was a reason why I fully moved to waterfox an Zen

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This feels like confirmation of the conspiracy theory that they don't want to be popular because of the Google money they get

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    icecat still works fine btw.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    No PWA support, so I left. I like my Taskbar icons to work, on Windows and Debian.

    I know there's an extension for that, but it breaks too often.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Back to Chrome in my case. Three separate Google profiles, so one Gmail icon for each plus calendar, keep, Messenger, Facebook WhatsApp.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    LMAO this is too good.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Firefox is fantastic. What are you people whining about, the optional AI sidebar?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Yes. I also love Firefox but for reasons that are in the exact opposite direction of "AI chatbot integration that can only be fully disabled with about:config".

    Edit: I should add that, at least for me, the "optional" status of the AI chat features in the sidebar depended on whether tabs were set to horizontal or vertical. For vertical tabs, the only way to disable AI chat in the sidebar was with about:config, and I would still prefer if such a specific feature wasn't bundled with the browser.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    How come I don't see any of that AI stuff on my install? It's a regional thing? OS-based?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm on 141.0.3, and I can open the chat from the sidebar. There is a checkmark to disable it in the settings, but when I switch to vertical tabs (which I've been using for a bit), the setting can't be disabled like that. I could ignore it, but it's a matter of principle, too.

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