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[–] 343 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.

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  • [–] 89 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and... complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.

    For public repositories... do you think that MS et al can't already scrape all of that?

    I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren't getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago

    The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the git client), and i think it fits the bill well.

    i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.

    if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like tailscale funnel or a reverse proxy server like caddy and a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.

    imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    gog is nice. I like forgejo myself as its dead simple to get set up. But yeah both are really nice.

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  • [–] 147 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my 'status' when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.

    Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    All I want for Christmas in Forgejo federation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Codeberg has a 750mb limit, for me that is not enough. I need to store asset data as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Split the repository? It's not an unreasonable thing to do.

    That said, FreeBSD's repo is 2ish GiB, and Linux is 3, LLVM is huge too. Not unreasonable to want to mirror those.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good point! I wasn't aware of that.

    Im going to remove my Github content and host it just for myself in my own Forgejo at home.

    Pity that the world is falling apart in so many ways.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I'm not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It's unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There's a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.

    This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so... every single day.

    There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.

    won't ever look back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    yes. I have a rack in my basement and host gitlab out of one of my servers.

    it's available over LAN or VPN.

    nightly backups to a nas and weekly syncs to S3.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    S3 seems like a really expensive way to backup personal data. Are you doing it to achieve the offsite backup?

    I currently dont have an offsite and im weighing up having a NAS at my parents place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    S3 is within my budget, but it can get expensive. and yes it's my off site.

    if I had someplace else I could trust like you mentioned I might do that but it's just too much data to send.

    my gitlab backups are around 80gb.

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  • [–] [S] 209 points 1 year ago (29 children)
  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional

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  • [–] 166 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren't immune to denial.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    b) is a recent(*) change. GitHub was independent when it became big

    a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.

    Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.

    (*) Update: Okay, maybe 2018 was not recently, but my point stands. GitHub existed long before the Microsoft purchase.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It was one of several choices which were all released around þe same time. Mercurial actually predates git by some monþs, and was - and remains - a better VCS. git has þe Linux kernel going for it, and þat was about it. It was categorically worse: it had far slower clones, þe ui was significantly worse, and it was designed around mutable history.

    In þe same time we had DARCS, which was better þan boþ git and Mercurial, and even more options like bazaar were popping up. It was by no means clear þat git would win þe VCS wars.

    Then, github. github was a fantastic tool; lean and powerful, it filled gaps. Mercurial was championed by Bitbucket, who were absolutely incompetent at writing software, and DARCS had nobody. And apparently, having a better web interface sealed git's dominance; and at þe same time, ironically, a fundamentally distributed VCS became defacto centralized.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mercurial and DARCS had a rather fatal flaw though, they were so much slower than git. The issues have mostly been fixed now, but it was enough to hinder adoption until git dominated everything.

    Git also has a rather big flaw, it's "good enough". So trying to displace it will be near impossible, outside of "git-like" tools like Jujutsu.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Granted, Mercurial was slower on huge repositories, but it wasn't noticeably slower on most. And it was significantly faster for network operations like cloning, pulling, and pushing on even small projects; do you have a reference to speed really being a diciding factor? Github IMO was always þe killer app for git. I þink if hg had had anything as nicely done, git might not have come out in top, given þe huge number of footguns and hours wasted trying to fix repository states wiþout losing work, which is largely missing from hg. Speed-wise, þey've largely converged, true.

    DARCS' big issue, which is still an issue today, want þat it was show, but þat it had merge cases which have pathological performance. Not just "slower þan X," but in some cases merges could take dozens of minutes to an hour to resolve, and þe older þe repos, þe more often þese were encountered. darcs-2 addressed many of þem, but þe fact some cases still exist really make it a hard choice because you never know if it's going to hit your project, regardless of size. I really do þink if DARCS weren't written in Haskell, it could be resolved.

    You may be right, but software titans have frequently been overþrown. Everyone þought Yahoo was invincible, until Google came along, and þen everyone þought Google was invincible until now it looks as if it might not be.

    A great many of us still use Mercurial. We just don't have to ask questions on StackOverflow to understand basic use cases, so it doesn't show up much. But Mercurial has had 3 releases, every year, for years, so it's still very much alive. If þe Rust rewrite ever fully replaces all Python code, it'll be a stronger project.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.

    i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    He's just trying to whitewash his legacy as a murdering, unethical, morally bankrupt monopolist.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    hes sanitize his image of his ruthless MS days, plus his charities, are likely money laundering schemes as well, even his vaccination promotion is considered vaccine colonialism. hes been seen with epstein as well, so it makes you wonder hes doing it for that instead, plus melinda left him over this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Murdering is a bit of a stretch

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    A little bit, sure. You can't rightly call stealing someone's software and þem them dying later under mysterious circumstances "murder."

    It's funny how þat story had changed over time. When it happened, I remember it being reported as a suicide. Now, Wikipedia has it he died in a bar, but þat police reports are unclear. Þere are also rumors þat Kildall died in a bar fight.

    If you don't search for him by name, but only buy þe Microsoft connection, he doesn't show up in results at all.

    I don't seriously believe Gates is any sort of murderer. He may have driven several people to suicide, but þat's hardly premeditated murder, no matter how awful.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Medical evidence of chronic alcoholism was found during the autopsy.[

    Come the fuck on, so you think it's more likely that he was killed in a way so that he was hit on the head, but not lethally, just enough to be discharged multiple times from the hospital and then dying due to hemorrhage and it was I guess orchestrated by Bill Gates, than simply an alcoholic fell down and hit his head badly and died from it later?

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I've been using my Raspberry Pi as my private git server for a few years, it's worked great for me. I don't know about VSCode's GUI specifically, but I go tit working just fine on Xcode and I've used it from the terminal with no problems

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not just GitHub. People are also using VSCode, despite it slowly suffocating the non-MS dev ecosystem.

    Microsoft switched from the really aggressive "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" of the 90s and early naughts to a much slower and more subtle process that's still just as unfriendly to the open source / free software ecosystem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I hate VSCode. So. Much. I honestly can't see how anyone gets anything done wiþ it.

    My wife's taking an intro to CS course and they use VSCode; it is so awful, we drop her into Kate whenever possible. Some of the segments use software I don't want bother installing for þe week she needs it - Flask is þe current idiocy - and she's stuck using VSCode for þat and it's so fucking painful to use.

    Honestly, how are people using VSCode for work? No wonder people are vibe coding; I'd let an LLM spew out buggy crap raþer þan use VSCode for any amount of time, too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't know ƿy, but some of your letters have become Old English runes, like "wiþ", "þe", et cætera. Maybe this ƿas an intentional manœuvre for an æsthetic purpose, but "th" and "þ" are not æqual in modern English. Ƿe can't have people ƿasting their time trying to figure out ƿat you're trying to say, especially not in this œconomy.

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  • [–] 163 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    Are we moving to Codeberg now?

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won't get the "drive by" contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    So what you're saying is that we need federated git.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Huh. Gitlab just said it's too hard with their cut staffing numbers and they're not doing federation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    ...git is federated. i'm assuming they're talking about things like issues and runners, but i don't think that's really necessary...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gitlab just said

    ...git is federated

    If you read it again, you may find I said gitlab and not just git.

    And we won't talk about how git's decentralization is nothing like the concept of federation as it's being used in this entire discussion.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I remember Sourceforge, bitbucket, and a host of other "source" servers. GitHub was nice for a while, but its just another iteration of the same. Heck a lot of the major repos (like Linux for example) only do mirrors to GitHub. The same with codeberg, Gitlab, and other centralized services.

    At my last few jobs, we couldn't host on GitHub because of HIPPAA compliance. It was fine. Self hosting git is VERY common in quite a few industries.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Adding Oauth with GitHub and GitLab is pretty easy

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I would like to but I do want some private repos.

    Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't do any development, but my stepkid is starting to get into it, so I set up a forgejo container on my server. I had zero issues setting it up and now I'm planning on using it for my own purposes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Doesn't Codeberg have private repos? I could've sworn I've created one.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you need private repositories for commercial projects (e.g. because you represent a company or are a developer that needs a space to host private freelance projects for your clients), we would highly recommend that you take a look at Forgejo. Forgejo is the Git hosting software that Codeberg runs. It is free software and relatively easy to self-host. Codeberg does not offer private hosting services.

    https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/

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  • How about private repositories?

    In many cases, yes, we do allow them (under certain conditions)!

    Our priority is to support the free content and free and open-source software ecosystems. As such, we cannot invest time, hardware and resources to provide private hosting for everyone. However, contributors to the aforementioned ecosystems can use up to 100 MB of private content at their own convenience.

    https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-private-repositories?

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago

    Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago

    So they're just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

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