TL;DR

  • Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.

  • The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.

  • While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.

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[–] 86 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Now more than ever we need more work on PostmarketOS, Mobian, Gnome Mobile etc...

Bummer that it's still so hard to find a somewhat modern, affordable phone that is Linux compatible

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Yeah, I'd totally buy a phone running one of those provided it does all the phone things properly: SMS/MMS, reliable calls, all day battery, etc. I don't need fancy apps, I just need a working phone.

    If I can get that, I could probably donate some time porting apps.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I really want to give furios phone a shot. It's apparently close to supporting my carrier.

    That and a sailfish phone. The community one though didn't support my carrier (think it's mainly EU specced only.)

    What I find missing most of the time though is any esim support. Makes me wonder if the hardware one that you can program an esim on works.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I want a phone with only cellular data, no calling, no sms, just an open source browser capable of webasm and webrtc

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sounds like a tablet, and that very well could be easier for someone to build than a phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can we have one of those that fit in my pocket, like 6.5" max ?

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  • There are some 7-8" tablets that could probably fit in a pocket, but finding the perfect mix of Linux compatibility and cell chip is going to be difficult.

    However, I see a few Linux tablets out there that have to be all runs, because Linux tablets are a pretty small niche, so it might not be that expensive to build one yourself.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Does this mean Graphene is dead? Probably the real reason they would do this is to kill Graphene.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It certainly feels like it is judging by the general moodshifts occuring. But I'm a moron, what alternative exists for a secure phone of comparable functionality? It feels like ditching phones is the only option to some extent(for me). If stupid, isn't the phone the most vulnerable weakpoint open to attack?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This fits into Google tying Android closer to them, same with the recent move of only making release source publicly available.

    They're regretting having started Android as an "open" platform and want to gain control fast, maybe preparing for the current anti-trust trials they are facing in the US.

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    [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is not good, this is why I don't like permissive licenses.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah, just that this has shit to do with the stated reasons. Google hasn't been an open source ally for quite some time now

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yup, the entire culture of Google has nearly changed. It used to be coder- and innovation-driven, and open-source was a natural thing to support. Make more money by growing the pie, creating markets with new tech.

    Now it seems it's middle managers and MBAs calling the shots, and their strategy is generic business zero-sum mindset - lock down, restrict, extract. They still see the PR value in open-source, but that's it.

    Just becoming 1990s Microsoft or 1980s IBM.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    Sundar Pichai strikes again!

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  • [–] 119 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    one less reason to buy a Pixel, well done Google!

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don't have any actual research, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Pixel itself doesn't really make money at all. One of those "get people hardcore into the Google ecosystem to get their money/data" things.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The absolutely criminal dark patterns that they pull on people via Google photos auto backup is insane.

    Just in my own orbit 2 of my friends wives, my parents, and my in-laws all wound up paying Google because they thought they had to or lose all their photos. We helped most of them disconnect the autobackup (that they didn't even know was activated) and move it to offline safely. But that was the most downright evil shit Google has ever done and literally a fire in me for manipulating the elderly and less tech savvy so blatantly.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    devil's avocado: this move has saved many people's cherished photos from disappearing by having them auto save. before Google photos I'd run into cases (I used to do home IT support) where people had years of family photos disappear because they didn't back them up properly. Having to communicate what happened was never fun.

    is Google photos perfect? No, but it's a great solution for people who don't want to manage their data.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, but that shouldn't explicitly opt in, and they shouldn't marry that product to Gmail and Google Drive if they are going to push it to enable by default.

    Again, it's really insidious. They push it so aggressively I had to disable it on my personal device twice, and I can't just not use Google Photos app because it's tied to the camera itself on pixel phones.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I agree with you, it's insidious.

    Given you've got a Pixel phone, you can save at least yourself from this problem by running Graphene or Calyx on it.

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  • I'm not worried about me. I can manage. But I had to intervene and make it a Project for my immediate family. Which is always unfun, because who wants to expose all their personal data that way, especially photos.

    Crazy that Google just screwed over GrapheneOS like this.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Long time coming, Play Integrity (or whatever's called nowadays) restrictions have effectively killed any alternative distributions.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I am running GOS on a Pixel 7, which means I've had this device for ~2.5 years at this point, and back when I transitioned to this setup I was aware they were talking about being beholden to Pixels due to the hardware security module not being available on other devices.

    It has been a known issue. I understand it is a very difficult and costly undertaking to develop new hardware and new entrants would be competing against the big guys for fab space, manufacturing and assembly etc.

    We need some kind of nonprofit or independently financed group to advance this cause. Could it be FUTO, Framework, or some other company/organization like this?

    There would be market incentive to solve these problems - There has got to be a lot of demand for a neutral hardware platform that meets the hardware security module and other requirements for bootloader security, custom ROMs, etc.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    huh, look at that. the thing people were warned about when buying pixel phones happened.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This fucking sucks. Cyberpunk dystopia

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    So I installed LineageOS recently. Now that I've transferred my passwords and account info I'm quite happy. What will happen from here? Will some apps stop working? If not, is there a problem with just continuing to use the phone as is until I need a new phone (security, eg)?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So I bought a pixel device (an old one) for nothing ?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I swear to god how many time it has to pass until developers realize open source is just a facade only Free Software licences are free as in freedom

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Oneplus gang, how we feelin?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    as a panicked graphene enjoyer, does oneplus measure up as a decent alternative or no?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I use a Oneplus 7 pro and my rom maintainer still updates and I still get a new version once every two months or so. If you want to omit gapps, you are more than free to do so. (Crdroid)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You are selling me mr. Fudge. I still need to do a lotta research but you are def sellin me here

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The trap: He could stop builds for the OP7... tomorrow with zero warning.

    That leads to my main takeaway for custom roms. Pick the phone with the most topics and replies on XDA. The more popular and liked, the more supported you'll be.

    and never get attached to anything. Your phone miraculously has support, none are guaranteed it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Idk man.

    I love my OP12. But we're switching carriers to a Verizon MVNO which "won't work" with my OP12, so I bought a Pixel 8 Pro on sale last week and need to switch over.

    I'm starting to wonder if that "it won't work" is bullshit tho...I've got a Verizon SIM in slot 2 and it works fine. Maybe I'd be missing out on 5G speeds? I got 5 bars on my tmo sim and my vz sim...but my Tmo got 1.1Gbps down, and my Vz sim only got 70Mbps.

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  • Have a couple OP 9pros and they'll be the last OP devices I buy.

    There are severe bugs that OP never fixes and make using the phone for something like navigation unreliable. Battery life can be great one day and terrible the next when not even using the phone. Also OP sells carrier specific hardware. My TMO phones can't be used at AT&T or Verizon, severely limiting our options. My understanding is unlocked Pixel phones can be used on any carrier.

    I really wanted to load Graphene, but even without it I'll consider a Pixel device.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If Pine64 can spec out a reasonably decent prototype of a phone and Purism can sell theirs for 2 grand (not worth it), then somebody else can legit come out with something just the same. Pine64 project and Purism cannot be the only communities that can somehow come out with these kinds of tech. Better yet, more people should be jumping to help out these guys to be free from Google and Apple dominance.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    What about the OS part of AOSP?
    Don't the ROM makers already fork AOSP to begin with?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Unrelated: The top bar in this article indicating the article position is so fucking stupid. Guess what the scroll bar on the right hand side is for?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It's the year of the linux phone. /s

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Damn, I've just switched to Pixel 3a XL I got for $100 and then installed Evolution OS.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    apple and google are doing their best to promote linux phones at this point.

    dont buy american

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Like, I understand the more the merrier, and so I don't hate on the whole Pixel, ROM development thingy, but I just don't understand the appeal of Pixel phones. If you want to be a photographer, get a camera. Other than that, you really don't need that great of a camera on your phone. Given the condition of America and the police state and corporate surveillance, I don't know why anybody with a damn look of sense would put their information on these major platforms, let alone even on the outskirts. Some people make money on social media, but a lot don't. I stick to my guns and I'm on the internet and computers to learn to educate myself, not to dick around with stupid shit. We need something other than Android. And we have to be weary of open source, especially when it's sponsored by Google. Google is a terrorist organization.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    If you want to be a photographer, get a camera.

    🤦‍♀️

    Even professional photographers don't have their cameras on them at all times, nor are they as convenient for just whipping out and taking a picture within 1.5s.

    Plus, cameras are expensive and they're another thing to carry around (idk about you but I don't have infinite pocket space) and they're another thing to keep charged, whereas you have a phone with you at pretty much all times anyway, because they're effectively required for modern society.

    You may as well be saying you don't understand why phones can play music when you can get an MP3 player, that you don't understand why they play videos because TVs exist, that you don't understand why they have web browsers and plenty of apps, because PCs exist.

    I stick to my guns and I'm on the internet and computers to learn to educate myself, not to dick around with stupid shit.

    He said, on this Lemmy thread.

    And we have to be weary of open source

    Ah yes, that nefarious Open Source software. Tell me more about the evils of FOSS, Mr Balmer.

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  • [+] -31 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    This would be sad if Pixel phones were worth buying, instead of being far inferior to midrange Motorola devices in battery life and performance while costing well over twice as much.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You must be ignoring the Motorola bloat that makes it's performance beyond subpar somehow

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean, you're getting a lot of downvotes, but I've gone Motorola -> Motorola -> Motorola -> Pixel -> Pixel -> Motorola.

    Both my Pixels died in less than a year. Each had battery life which, while it did improve over a few weeks as Pixel's optimization stuff took hold, never reached an entire day. Both were unacceptably fragile. Both failed randomly, just out of warranty.

    And the Motorola I'm using now has none of those problems, was cheaper, is faster, has a better battery, has a better screen, and in some ways is more customizable (fuck that unmovable search bar).

    Like, really. Motorola is a sleeper brand. Not perfect, but damn good.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    See? Pixel devices are nothing but a trip to the lemon grove, but people with debilitating chronic ass pain tearfully refuse to accept that they wasted their money on GETBRAND. I take those downvotes as an unofficial census confirming how many people don't know ball.

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