Picture of bifurcated stairway entrance leading to the same place, with text, "two party system".

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[–] 16 points 1 year ago

This isn't limited to two party systems, but liberal democracies in general in the entire world. There hasn't really been any change of the status quo for who-knows-how-long anywhere whether it's 2 or 10 parties on the ballot

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You were around for the last seven months or so, right?

    What we’re seeing now is not business as usual.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    I would say it is business as usual, except that we have entered a new phase where it is harder to maintain the illusion that the point of the business all along wasn’t to impoverish and essentially enslave the majority of the people.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It's the same, they're just explicit about it. They're done pretending it's anything but what it's always been.

    Edit: I'd reply but they're blocked by me for defending the party that has sanewashed fascism since Dubya. Sorry I called out the party that didn't arrest Trump.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Side note, why build like this. Would be nice with a little lounge chair on the side of the steps there or something. A place for the telephone if we lived 50 years ago 😅

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I mean, at least on the one side, it's a lot easier to get the couch up or down the stairs.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Do you still call the parties same after everything that's happened since Trump took office? Do you think that Kamela would have made the same decisions as trump?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Republican and Democratic establishments are very much the same.

    Trump - and his Heritage Foundation minders - isn't business as usual.

    The Rs and Ds both opposed tariffs and supported free market capitalism. Trump demanded tariffs because he's a boomer, and he wants to go back to his childhood when the economy was based on manufacturing and coal mining.

    The Rs and Ds both gave lip service to free speech. Trump has sued universities for allowing protests, deported students for writing op-eds, and is appointing political commissars to monitor major news networks and veto dissent.

    The Rs and Ds both believed that unbiased economic data was important, even if they wanted different economic policies. Trump fires people for reporting data he doesn't like.

    The Rs and Ds both believed that soft power was as valuable as hard power, and that USAID and PEPFAR and so on were important, not just on humanitarian grounds, but in building support for the United States around the world. Trump and Musk think soft power is for wimps and are viscerally disgusted by helping black people.

    Frankly, if there is any genuine distinction right now between the Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment, it's because Trump bullied the Republicans into it. And if this country survives it'll be interesting - albeit horrifying - to see if the Rs go back to business as usual or continue their slide into an anarcho-capitalist theocracy.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Democrats are the brakes and the republicans are the accelerator. But the steering wheel is stuck turning right and very few has any incentive to turn the wheel. And Trump is like "what if we just remove the brakes?"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Sure, I don't say that the Democrats are good, but they're not fascist. Being smug and saying that "Democrats and Republicans are the same" won't save you from the death camps.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sure, I don't say that the Democrats are good, but they're not fascist.

    So the Gaza genocide and its continuous funding didn't begin under Biden? 'Cause genocide seems kinda like a fascist thing to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Republicans are Hitler. Democrats are Mussolini. One thinks being in power, drinking wine, having parades, and beating up little guys is great fun. The other thinks he can go toe to toe with Russian winters.

    Sure, Hitler's the greater evil, but Mussolini helps however he can.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How will you help Palestinians in Trump's death camp?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So Biden or Kamala would have eventually intervened in the Israeli genocide of Palestinians? Based on what evidence? There's barely an air gap between the two parties on their policies towards Israel, even now. No matter who you vote for, both parties serve the interests of the rich. For Drump, it's mostly about self enrichment. For the Dems it's mostly about enriching their donors in the corporate world. Neither party gives two shits about working class people. And yes, Trump is worse, big whoop. That's hardly an argument for supporting whichever corporate stooge the Dems roll out for the next election. It's an argument for getting rid of both hopelessly corrupt parties and starting over.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I didn't like Biden or Harris, but neither of them promised to send troops into cities.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Source? Local police did, but I can't find much on Obama sending troops to break up OWS protesters.

    Most I could find was, he was openly sympathetic, but noncommittal about it. Disappointing, sure, but hardly the same as Trump.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_and_the_Occupy_movement?wprov=sfla1

    every domestic incident here, the feds declined to prosecute and protect the rights of occupy protesters.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You know you can edit your post, right?

    While it may seem like a technicality, none of those are orders from the Obama administration. The FBI has already shown itself to be willing to meddle in elections on behalf of the Republican party, so it's not a stretch to believe that FBI or JD would crack down on protesters, if for no other reason then to discredit a Democrat or even black man's words.

    Also, many of those examples are of local law enforcement.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    First, local law enforcement.

    Second, mobile link? ew.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    the doj declined to prosecute them for infringing on their rights

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, because the DoJ are shits, but the presidential office doesn't really have as much power as you think it does. Not to do good at least. The various departments are so cruel, that the most the president can really do is to try and keep it from getting worse. When the president wants it to be cruel though, you get concentration camps in the swamps.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    this sounds like yure making excuses for Obama's crackdown on the occupation

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    We can blame parties or whatever. I just blame the average American for not doing something about it

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Looks like a nice place for a Christmas tree though.

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