cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5669661

updated as of yesterday (July 21): based on a statistical model developed by a prestigious medical journal called The Lancet, Israel has killed roughly 434,800 people in Gaza since the country’s military started to attack the territory on 8 October 2023. That’s 20.7% of Gaza’s entire pre-conflict population dead. Over half are women and children.

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[–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

No matter how often you call it a statistical model, taking death tolls from last year and multiplying by the time since then is very crude at best. The conditions have gotten much worse, even since then. The true number of murdered people is likely to be even higher

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

    This fucked, since Israel goal is to kill them all. This just means this shit isn't even close to over. Can we please get an American Congress that will put a stop to this?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    There are ~3 congress members out of 535 total who oppose this genocide. Thats ~0.56%, despite the general population of the US being over half opposing the genocide.

    The US isn't a democracy, its a capitalist dictatorship, and meaningful change can't come through its own system.

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  • [+] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hence why I said Congress has the power to stop this. We cut off money and weapons and send our military in to bring aid to Gaza this shit would end.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    3.5 more years until we have a chance of restoring sanity. Assuming there is still an America at that point.

    Edit: Since it seems I wasn’t clear, my point was the rest of world can’t and shouldn’t trust America. There are more countries in the world than the US and hoping the US does anything, especially in time to save Palestinian lives, is as pointless as “thoughts and prayers.” Just as global boycotts are finding ways to cut America out of their societies, the same should be happening for international politics.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why are democrats like this? "damn I guess we'll wait 3.5 years until we can vooooote, maybe the genocide will end then"

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Democrats: against every war except the current one.

    The democrats from other instances have no historical memory, that their party supported and continues to support every US war, from Vietnam, to Iraq, to Palestine.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Well we could theoretically flip congress in the midterms in 18 months.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Flipping red to blue won’t accomplish much as long as the Democratic party remains a right-wing oligarchic cesspool. The US has two right wing parties and the ratchet effect is very, very real. Look at slightly-left-of-center candidates like Mamdani and Bernie. There is nowhere more left for them to go than the DNC, but the DNC will pull out all the stops to prevent even one slightly leftist candidate from making progress because the party is firmly and militantly right wing.

    Short of breaking up the two-party system, which both parties are fighting through the suppression of basic reforms like RCV, we need to find and run strong, leftist candidates that can replace rightists across the board, especially those that make up the majority of the US Democratic party.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I honestly can't say I disagree with you on this. Voting blue is more a stay of execution than a solution. I voted 3rd party for decades. But I'm at the point now where the Republicans just need another sound defeat.

    I left the USA 25 years ago because I saw this coming with Bush Jr. I have been talking about fascism coming to the USA since then. I dont really see anything stopping this short of a full uprising. But at least we can have a rest in the march to fascist autocracy, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Voting blue is more a stay of execution than a solution.

    Nope, the Democrats are also in full support of this genocide.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah sorry I forgot what thread we were on. You will get no help from the US on the genocide unless you get someone amazing like Sanders elected as president. Even then, no one will likely work with him on it.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Zionist holocaust

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The news/Lemmy really makes it sound like more. I wonder how many have successfully fled.

    I'd be curious to know how much of the 2022 population still exists in Gaza today.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A quick search came up with this suggesting a 6% drop.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-population-down-by-6-since-start-war-palestinian-statistics-bureau-2025-01-01/

    Also interesting to note there’s this saying the population in Gaza went up 2%. Not sure what political leanings world population review have or why such a site would have any but I’m obviously skeptical. https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza

    23000 hamas fighters remain with a population of around 400000 so around 5%.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Top Jewish senators and celibrities support the Gaza genocide. The good ones like Bernie and Jon Stewart ha e no say. Gal Gadot, Jerry Sienfield, Schumer and more I can't remember now supports the Gaza apartheid and genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That is the definition of genocide?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Well over half.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Israel knows exactly what it's doing to Palestinians, but it clearly has no idea what it's doing to itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Or maybe some do and that's what they want?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If you mean some Israelis want the world to collectively view them as a genocidal state of racists and murderers (or at least racist and murderer apologists), I mean, sure, perhaps some do, but I can't fathom why they would, and I don't think that's particularly common given how widespread their propaganda campaigns go to push the narrative that they're the good guys.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They are just defending themselves /s

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm so sick of this "women and children" reporting. A death is a death, and as an antinatalist, seems like having kids in such a situation wasn't the best of ideas.

    Most of the men being killed aren't Hamas, yet we're treating their deaths as lesser than others'? This isn't borne of sexism but rather being tired of the heartstrings propaganda.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    As much as I agree with you, I think the purpose of the 'women and children' stats is more to avoid malicious attempts to derail the conversation by distracting with questions of "how many of them were Hamas tho", "how do you know they weren't Hamas", etc.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago*

    Adding to what the other person said, when reporting on Palestine until like a year ago (and for certain parts of the political spectrum even now) it was essential to avoid making any statements that have holes, real or imagined, for Zionists to exploit. That's why the official casualty count is an underestimate, and why the number of women and children is stressed so much. Israel used to (and sometimes still does) always get the benefit of the doubt, so making sure the facts being presented are ironclad has/had to take precedence over covering the full extent of the madness.

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