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Internet Archive Is Now a Federal Depository Library (www.kqed.org)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

We need a new archive, away from US.

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    [–] 72 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This means Trump can finally de-fund them

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    • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Guys fast! Save everything that annoys Trump, fast!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Trump has exactly as much control over it now as he did before: none. It literally just means that all official government documents go to them for archiving. This is cool and neat and raises the profile of the Internet Archive, but other than that it doesn't really mean anything. Trump can of course do some undemocratic shenanigans to them, but no more or less than he could before this designation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, but undemocratic shenanigans arent rare

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    • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I strongly recommend that a whole bunch of people actually look up what the FDLP is before commenting. Trump doesn't "have control" over the Internet Archive.

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I can't see anything good coming from this

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    How so? As far as I can tell all this means is they're added to a list of official places storing public documents. Beyond the slight bragging rights, slightly increased sense of legitimacy in upcoming lawsuits and... I guess the server costs? this seems pretty neutral. I don't even think you need the official designation to actually store the documents in question.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Lookup who the current dictator is of the US and you’ll have your answer.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    So nothing good can come from this.

    Why?

    Donald Trump.

    How does that follow? Again I ask, you are aware that the US government has more than one person in it, right?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The Internet archive is important and Trump now has control over it.

    There. I simplified it for you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Look again. Trump has no control over it. The Federal Depository designation basically just means that all official documents go to it for archiving. All Federal Depository libraries remain independent and receive no funding from the Government as a part of their membership in the program.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They can redefine why that membership means at any time.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, but that has always been the case. If they're going to do some undemocratic shenanigans, this designation doesn't make it any easier or harder.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s possible I’m wrong about this. I’m just worried. I can’t see anything good coming from tying into the US government in any way right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You're not wrong, but this isn't "tying into" the US Gov any more than your mailbox "ties into" the postal service by being approved by the postmaster general. Your mail carrier could throw a rock at it, but they could have done that before anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    He... does not at all. This is barely a ceremonial denomination meaning that they are a designated mirror of official US documentation. This has even less of an impact than their basic clasification as a library, it's unilaterally decided by just the one senator and is mostly PR. They could have stored the same documents without the designation, even.

    This is all a search or wikipedia visit away. People really operate on the basis of seeing a headline, not even bothering to click through and just... making up what it means in their heads. We really need to get better at this, it's been decades of Internet and centuries of newspapers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This doesn't change anything about the ownership, governance, or control of the Internet Archive. It literally just means that all official government documents go to them for archiving. This is cool and neat and raises the profile of the Internet Archive, but other than that it doesn't really mean anything. Trump has exactly as much control over it now as he did before: none.

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    • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I'm inclined to consider it a honeypot tbh. Its too damn sus that the US government suddenly likes something like this.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    You... know the US government isn't a person, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    From what I hear as an outsider it‘s a bunch of fucking losers for the most part. Feel free to correct me if I‘m wrong, though.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Sure, but "bunch" is the operative word here. People in government don't agree with each other, kinda by design.

    In this particular case this is a thing any one member of Congress can do unilaterally and a democrat senator from California just decided to do it. That particular fucking loser probably doesn't agree with a bunch of the other fucking losers on a bunch of stuff, including this one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    "US says"

    When you see a title like that, what do you assume?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Nothing. I read what the article below the title says, then I check it somewhere else for good measure.

    You really don't need to take a hard stance every time you see two words somewhere. It is allowed to withhold judgement until you figure out what the hell you're looking at.

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    • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does this mean now they can be ordered to take down content?

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    • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Seems like a terrible idea given what our federal government has become.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Federal government gets no control over the Internet Archive through this designation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Uh huh. Sure thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm not saying Trump wouldn't try to take such a thing, but this doesn't give him any more ability to do so than he had before. Obviously he's willing to be a fascist, so he doesn't need any change in an organization's designation to do something undemocratic toward them. He has exactly as much control as he had before. This doesn't change anything.

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    DEI and trans people removed, with the latter soon redirecting to a christian psychologist's website about "cluster B abuse" in 3...

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Under federal law, members of Congress can designate up to two qualified libraries for federal depository status.

    Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle said that while the nonprofit organization has always functioned as a library, this new designation makes it easier to work with the other federal depository libraries. That, he said, is a service to everyone.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    In most situations, getting that designation provides extra funding and legal protection. However, all of that is managed by the federal executive on behalf of Congress… and these days that could result in added risk.

    On the plus side, I believe it means that every work submitted to the LoC also goes to IA, which is indeed a good thing. Sure beats the lawsuits they had to endure following COVID.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    What it means is that they, inexplicably, haven't yet fled to a country that isn't turning fascist and censorious.

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