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[–] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate T-Mobile, but I really hate Elon Musk. So while I'm not happy for T-Mobile, I do enjoy watching Musk suffer in any way whatsoever.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Dang, I was hoping there was a competitor. I'm boycotting Musk companies as best I can

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, sadly SpaceX and Tesla are both very promising companies primarily held back by Elon Musk.

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (14 children)
  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Starlinks are in too low an orbit to cause Kessler Syndrome.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Is that accurate though? Assume a satellite is in a decaying orbit (thus too low to contribute to Kessler syndrome on its own) and another satellite is in a different orbit eccentricity-wise but they both collide. Are we certain that none of the pieces from the collision would acquire enough speed to become boloids that contribute to Kessler syndrome?

    Time to go down the rabbit hole that is orbital mechanics for me again. Byeeee lol

    Edit: looks like the lowest orbit for starlink's first shell is at 550km which is very much above VLEO and would definitely be a factor in Kessler Syndrome.

    Most starlink satellites are set to deorbit themselves upon failure to avoid this. However the de orbiting could still fail and then it should take about a year or so to deorbit itself?

    So it looks like there is a low possibility of it initiating Kessler syndrome. But it's not negligible.

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  • A year is actually quite a short time (in terms of deorbiting).

    As for your previous question yes a collision at starlink orbit could send some shrapnel to higher orbit planes however a majority would be in highly eccentric orbits that would decay quickly on the low end.

    The issue would be a starlink collision then hitting something in a higher orbit causing Kessler syndrome in that orbit. The odds of this are still next to zero but never zero.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    For your question, no. There's no way for an object to have an orbit that doesn't intersect the same altitude where an impulse happened. They could be knocked into an eccentric orbit, but it at least has to have the lowest point at the highest point of the Starlink network.

    This is not to say it can't hit something else after that changes the perigee at a later point in it's orbit, thus lifting it higher. For a single collusion though, no, at least with the collision alone.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    but they pollute the night sky visually and that's nearly as bad.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I mean, no it's not.

    Kessler syndrome is about a chain reaction that destroys everything in orbit and keeps us from accessing space for years.

    Ruining your view is not "nearly as bad". That makes you sound like one of those folks on Martha's Vineyard, opposing offshore wind turbines that local communities desperately need, because they'll "ruin the view".

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The night sky is also polluted by your home's lighting and car headlights but that doesn't seem to be a problem for most people.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    yeah, you can't turn off your home's lighting, additionally everyone lives in cities anyway, so it's moot!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Oh, so that's why my internet went out for 4 hours yesterday. RIP.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    I'll upvote anything bad happening to musk.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This makes me think that the Starlink system is very poorly designed. I know there are hundreds of satellites, and a large number of base stations.

    Even if a large chunk of the satellites were taken out and a few base stations failed, shouldn't the system keep working, just over a different path?

    This sounds very much not like a hardware failure, but more like somebody fucked up.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    good hope it stays broken forever

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    Thank you so much ! /s Come and join me where the options are many and the price is so cheap. /s /s

    If you'd like to experience what it's like to access the internet sans Starlink, perhaps you could just throttle your modem to 8 or even 10 Mbps. Yes? No? Then consider how lucky you are, and have some empathy for those of us who have little or no alternative.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Your options are limited not by random angry dude on the Internet, but by deliberate and calculated lack of development conspired between legislators and telecoms. Starlink will hit the limits imposed by physics and geometry, and then will get worse and worse the more people sign up.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You seem to know a lot about these limits, can you elaborate?

    I don't think there are actual physics limitations on network capacity right now

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    The limited bandwidth of practical microwaves shared by everyone in the footprint of a satellite, which is thousands of square kilometres. More satellites help, but since it hears the signals from every person on earth in its footprint, even if that person is connecting to a different satellite, there are limited gains when you reach the point where they have a lot of overlap - literally limited by geometry. Compare that with fiber, which allows for virtually unlimited unshared service bandwidth that can get faster as it’s built out and becomes more popular.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Beam steering largely mitigates most of these problems. Fiber is definitely more scalable, but also far more expensive (somehow...) to provide last mile to the entire planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    "I know millions of people use their service because it's the only real option they have, but because it's associated with this one guy I don't like, they can all eat a dick!"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    *one guy who is ruining the planet and purposely pushing laws that eradicate queer and trans people

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Them: "We need a strong central government to protect everyone!"

    Me: "Don't do that! If bad people get control there's gonna be trouble!"

    Them: "You just hate people!" votes for strong government

    Them when that strong government is then taken over by bad people: 😯

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    HugesNet has low throughput but it's pretty reliable. I had high hopes for Starlink but it seems to be a dud.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's been over a year since the last big Starlink outage. That's a lot better than my old DSL provider.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s a ridiculously low bar in 2025. What even is twisted pair DSL??

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I live in a country praised for its IT industry, digital government and whatever

    I got off ADSL in 2024. Fucking lol. I don't even live on a farm or anything. Lucky to receive fiber though, now they want to prioritize 5G home connections instead.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    yeah? For some reason I thought it had outages here and there all the time.

    Still, they were down for almost 3 hours today and that's a lot worse than my old DSL provider.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I have a place in the boonies and I use starlink. I find it to be vastly superior to the only other semi-viable option, line of site. Speeds aren't as great as they use to be and I'll be happy to change when another better or similar option comes along.

    I do experience mico-outages every few days. Like a 1 to 2 second drop that I would only notice with vid chats or gaming.

    I do have a media server and surf the seven seas. Starlink is crap for that, so I found a new home for it as I move my residence out here.

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  • [+] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Got a nice fibre-optic connection, have you? Try throttling that to <10Mbps and you might understand what some people have to deal with. DSL at 10Mbps from an evil corporation, or 150Mbps from an evil corporation, hmmmmm, what a choice.

    It's easy to shit on the owner, but have some sympathy for folk who don't have a reasonable alternative.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hear hear!

    Everyone is like "Move out of the city, live a life closer to nature" but also "If you use the only service that truly enables that you suck!"

    I'll take what I can get until something as good or better comes along.

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