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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

It's interesting that no one wants to deny medical care for:

  • murderers
  • pedophiles
  • thieves
  • corrupt politicians
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  • [–] 324 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    I never will understand how somebody gets into any facet of medicine (e.g. nurse, doctor, pharmacist) and find it okay to deny anybody healthcare solely based on how the person lives. Like dude, there are better ways to make money and be a bigot at the same time. Insurance CEO comes to mind. Cannon fodder as well.

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  • [–] 130 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

    Because nursing school will shove you through even if you should fail and it's an affordable 2 year degree that pays. And that's how I ended up explaining what the P in HIPAA stands for and how to operate a mask. White trash nurses are a meme.

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    Yeah it's probably time to sleep... But the memes!

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't feel too bad, I once had a ticket come across my desk for HIPPO violations. It took half the day to figure out what they were talking about.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My first college was a technical college that also trained nurses. If there’s one thing I learned it’s that nurses have nasty hygiene habits. Hopefully that gets washed out (pun intended) in the field; eventually.

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  • [+] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    Effing incompetent nurse stabbed me with a hypodermic, then insisted she could go forward with injecting medication into my baby. Why would she need to sterilize or replace it?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm in a med lab program and they talk so much shit about nurses in our lectures (no offence). They even hire actors and we do conflict resolution exercises like phoning an exhausted nurse to let her know her third draw just got rejected and they need another sample or order of draw problems ect...

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    In practice you figure out which nurses are what kind of idiot and cling to the ones who are competent. The upside to the dumb ones is they never figure out why the new girl and the woman looking at retirement get more hours and are specifically called so often.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What if the patient is a health care CEO who is known for denying health care to others?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Definitely treat them. Really enthusiastically. And let everyone else in the building, perhaps people whose inaurance is fucking them, know what room it's in. Obviously stay on hand to make sure nobody gets any mortal injuries. Bill it extra for every part of that. Do not let your patient die. Dying us bad; think of everything left in the world for your patient to do!

    This is a happy fantasy. I wish doctors were this cool.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Same answer to both; cowardly traditionalist afraid to speak their minds.

    From traditional/conservative families which value the status of being a doctor, not the "helping patients" part. Prejudiced.

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "Is this career path okay with discrimination? Because I have groups I want to die."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    As someone who attends a medical school attached to a religious university, I can tell you this is a mindset that exists quite commonly in the medical field. Many of these people get careers in the multitudes of Catholic hospitals that abuse religious freedom laws to deny certain kinds of healthcare and face absolutely no repercussions for their persistent bigotry.

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  • Medical malpractice is a huge issue for LGBT people - especially trans people who require specific care and are therefore much easier to spot. It's honestly a big issue in the sciences in general, and it's definitely not a new issue, but more likely against specific groups. Women are much more likely to have to be their own advocates to get proper care, often being denied pain medication, told that they're just making up their symptoms, or having their agency denied or choice of treatment being deferred to their husbands (generally when it comes to things that might affect sex, such as surgeries to constrict the vagina after giving birth or having their uterus removed due to medical issues).

    And it's not just that trans people often have to understand HRT at a doctorate level in order to fight for their right to the proper care and treatment that they deserve. I have read plenty of stories of trans people being denied care by bigoted healthcare workers - even a case of a woman in New York who only found out she had an aggressive form of cancer after the technician who diagnosed her tests called her to ask her how her chemo was going. Her doctor simply never told her the diagnosis and the only reason that she's still alive is because of that technician who made sure that she got proper treatment after the shock of hearing that she didn't even know that she had cancer.

    Bias affects medicine all the way up the chain, from how nurses treat you to what gets taught in schools and even what fields get research funding. I taught my therapist pretty much everything he knows about transgender people, for example - because he's older and they didn't teach about trans people. And I have no qualifications in the field other than being trans and therefore having to teach myself to ensure I get proper care. Many doctors don't know about trans specific medical care despite HRT starting to be researched in the 1920s in Germany (and only reappearing at the end of the 20th century after the Nazis burnt all the research). The medical field is taught based on the white body of a specific weight, which leaves out the differences in care that black people and people above or below that weight require. We only really started looking into what exactly female ejaculate is in the past 30 years or so. AIDS research was denied funding by the US government for at least a year while roughly 120 Americans died of AIDS every day, during which time all bottled medication was pulled from stores and the safety seal was developed and implemented over the course of 3 months because somebody poisoned a couple of bottles of Advil with cyanide.

    It's not a new issue, but it's become more prevalent in recent years as people like the student above have become emboldened by recent events - like the rulings that say that doctors don't have to treat certain people if it would "violate their religious beliefs."

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  • [–] 150 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    "I refuse to treat left handed people. It's a lifestyle I don't agree with."

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This was or maybe even still is a thing. My grandpa was forced to wear a sock on his left hand when learning to write as a child. He would be hit if he didn't.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Human beings were obviously a terrible idea.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Back then he would be hit either way I wish I could go back to being a kid and approach adults discipling me with my current knowledge.

    I'd ask for beatings and pretend to get pleasure from them. I bet suddenly you get no more beatings.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I mean, this is correct. You take the oath, you have to live up to it. You will be treating people you don't agree with, and you have to square up with that, or your rep will take a dive.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oaths are not magic spells. Mengele and ishi were both md's.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To be fair their reps did take a dive.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ishi was head of the med school at tokyo university after.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In many countries it's illegal to refuse treatment so you would literally have to find a new career

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But of course in the Christian-sharia-law state of Tennessee, doctors can refuse patients if they don’t fit their values or whatever. A woman was refused prenatal care because she wasn’t married.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This type of stuff is extremely concerning to me. My ability to get life saving medical treatment is based on the whimsy of some superficial judgment some random doctor makes about me? There is no way this can be legal.

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  • Hey now take comfort in the fact that their lives are in the hands of God. Pfft nah it's in the hands of anyone willing to shank them for being a sanctimonious self righteous profligate. Frankly speaking if someone nearly died or dies because of such a scenario where they denied IDK sutures or some shit for religious reasons they wholly deserve to be processed through a morgue incinerator while still alive.

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    [–] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A friend of mine is a devout Muslim from a very conservative family and a doctor: he believes that his faith has no place in his job and therefore treats all his patients equally.

    I think fundamentalists of all religions should take a leaf out of his book.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Someone being LGBT doesn't mean McDonald's is allowed to refuse them service, or ESSO is allowed to refuse to sell them gas, or a gym can refuse them membership. Why the fuck do you think a doctor should be allowed to refuse them treatment for a disease?

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Someone being LGBT doesn’t mean McDonald’s is allowed to refuse them service, or ESSO is allowed to refuse to sell them gas, or a gym can refuse them membership.

    Patience, patience ... the GOP is working on this as well.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    Technically they aren't. By their plan, someone who is LGBT couldn't be refused service at McDonalds because they are to be arrested and thrown in jail on sight. Like, how would they have even gotten into McDonalds much less have the gall to ask for a Big Mac?...

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Doesn't this fall under the Hippocratic oath anyways? Or am I mistaken

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Hippocratic oath doesn't cover this at all and actually explicitly forbids abortion and euthanasia. It's really quite antiquated which is why I wrote an oath for myself that I hold to.

    There's a lot of debate about the specific meanings of the text, but there are many Christian physicians that will latch onto those passages as an excuse to apply their own beliefs to patient care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The oath is a promise, not a law. People break promises all the time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wasn't there a bakery that won a case allowing them not to sell wedding cakes to gay couples?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    No. The supreme court case you're thinking of only ruled that the state commission acted unfairly towards the bakery, not necessarily that the bakery was right or wrong in their discrimination.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What? They can totally do those things. They are private businesses who can reject whomever they want. Protected classes are only protected for things like housing, employment, and public things (school/utilities/etc.)

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If that were true, the US would still have segregated lunch counters, grocery stores, and private buses. The Supreme Court may be getting us on the way there one day, but right now the only way that private businesses are allowed to discriminate against protected classes is to call the output work a "creative expression" like website design, floral arrangement, or cake decoration, and that's from the 303 Creative case.

    Besides, how would it make sense if a company could bar you as a customer for being gay, but be compelled to employ you?

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This would never fly in today's era. Nor should it.

    But about two decades ago I dated a gastroenterologist... I think she had around 13 years of schooling.

    Anyways, her first day of med school, they made the entire class watch gay porn. Like vicious, graphic, excessively graphic gay porn.

    With of course the professor saying if this makes you uncomfortable, you'd best find a new track. Because you ain't going to make it, this is going to be your life: assholes, boils, pus, cancer, shit, piss, if you're going to be a gastroenterologist you're going to have your head up people's asses your whole career....

    Etc

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And then there were those who got a rock-hard boner and wondered for a completely different reason if this career was for them.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lol

    Apparently this was not boner porn nor wap porn.

    By the retelling, its was nailing balls to a step stool kind of porn.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This would never fly in today’s era. Nor should it.

    I believe we already have individual states that allow health care providers to refuse care based on their religious beliefs.

    So unfortunately, it seems to be flying alright.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    Damn straight. Same thing for pharmacists or any other health official.

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