..... Have they not?
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They already have... what the fuck do they think has been going on the past six years?
Yeah, that was my reaction to the title as well, but the article makes it clear that there is a fresh new uprising by the Christian Nationalists to try and truly take over. They're a part of the MAGA idea, but a lot of Republican politicians are less about nationalism and more about serving their corporate masters.
So if this truly is nationalists moving to take over the party, it could really be a big deal.
Or it could fizzle.
I don't know how much actual support these fascists have, but THESE are the people champing at the bit to shoot their guns at "libruls". So it's really not a Good Thing™. But as to how serious a threat, I'm honestly not sure.
So these people think maga wasn't extreme enough? Not far-right enough?
It wasn't even hyperbolic to call the maga movement fascism. And yet these people viewed it as too moderate?
That's a scary prospect, but I know a lot of republican voters don't want the insanity. They're just fooled into thinking a "moderate republican" platform still exists in practice. Maybe this movement will wake those voters up, maybe even restore a viable moderate republican platform. That will at least shift the overton window a little towards the center.
After all, without trump's perplexing charisma, I don't think they'll have a singular figurehead to unite around. Nobody to threaten, bribe, and intimidate people into compliance. Stephen Miller and JD Vance don't have that kind of sway. I doubt Tucker Carlson does either, but we'll see.
So this could blow up in their faces. The party caucus seems to be digging in on the "No, the voters are wrong, we need to double down." So maybe they'll shoot themselves in the foot even harder than centrist dems are trying to do to themselves now.
It'll be a shitshow for a couple years, but it'll be interesting to see what effect this has on the primaries.
A thread of hope at least, is better than none.
Whatever you call maga, their policies have not proven to work for the majority, just theories that never panned out, and too many are still fooled that they are legit and treat them as if they are. Their policies fail people and we can see what policies do work elsewhere, but maga will never pass them. Dems maybe if enough majority for long enough. The polices work in states that have them, passed by Dem majority almost always. So no, we don't want any flavor of gop, call it moderate but no thanks, still shit.
I'm not saying that I personally want a moderate republican government. I'm saying if moderate republicans can make a comeback within their party and the party as a whole abandons maga extremism, that can help shift the overton window a little back towards sanity.
I still wouldn't vote republican. But I'd rather have the main political debate be between progressives and a center-right party, rather than what it is now which is largely between centrist dems and the far-right.
The thing that worries about these people is that I don't think we're really sure how many of them are out there and how far they can be radicalized and how far they'll go.
I don't intend to fearmonger, but honestly state the above. But with the above comes the flip side: While some of these types of people have gone on murdering sprees, there haven't been many, and it's usually been that they've selected some target and some of them succeed and some of them don't.
The thing that actually worries me is that I think we may face an uptick in the rhetoric that drives some of these people to go out and shoot people; we may see groups like Proud Boys decide to go shooting instead of intimidating.
I don't know. I'm not saying these things are going to happen, but it's the thing that worries me most about that background level of nationalism and the people building up incel communities.
That said, this election gives me some hope. For a good while, I didn't really see a path out of fascism, but if we can get enough actual progressives in power and force the establishment Dems to be more progressive, get enough going to give us a blue President in two years with enough in Congress to get shit done AND if there's enough progressives in there to help real change happen, we might be able to show the American people that government isn't broken - just Republicans and establishment Democrats are. IF, and by damn that is just about the hugest if of all time, IF we can pull that off, maybe we can pull back from the brink of fascism - and by brink I mean more like we're already over the edge hanging on to a comically small tree root hanging out the side of the cliff with our fingers losing strength.
I'm hopeful that this low-level rumbling of fascist nationalist racist bullshit will remain low-level.
I feel ya. Yeah, it's a concern. I wish there were an easy answer. Some cartoonishly simple solution, like just surrender and let go of that tree root and then suddenly a giant bird swoops in and catches you and carries you to a nice safe deus ex machina.
But this isn't a fiction novel, and real life doesn't work like that. There are despicable, hateful people in the world and in this country, and those people are exploiting otherwise legitimate grievances to twist the minds of large numbers of vulnerable people. They lie to them about some overly simplistic solutions to complex problems, that they have no intention of following through with, and then once they win their trust and have them thoroughly deluded with an entire system of "alternative facts," then they twist their minds further through fear-mongering used to stoke hatreds, and empty flattery used to inflate egos. It's a dangerous concoction and some truly vile people have seen that and used it as an evil means to evil ends.
I don't have a simple solution to that. It'll likely take generations to heal, if we can even start the healing process. If we can't even do that, it's only going to get worse. Unspannable chasms have likely already grown.
Some victims of mass manipulation may be redeemable if we break the hypnosis, but I don't have a clue what kind of proportion that is. Is it a vanishingly small percentage, or the vast majority of their base? I don't know, and I won't pretend to. I won't pretend to have any better answers than this. I wish I did.
For now let's just hold onto a little hope and see how the next session of congress goes. See if our political leaders will provide oversight and accountability. Fix what's broken and use our systems to address the underlying problems at their roots.
If they can't or won't do that, then I don't know what to tell you. Stock up on whatever you might need to protect yourself and your loved ones? Build trust and community among your neighbors, if you live in an area where that's possible. The rest is what everyone needs to decide for themselves...
On the internet, you have a certain type that is always trying to top each other for who is more edgy. This is not so much of a thing on the left, but you will see a few outliers ( if you see someone talking about "shitlibs", climbs into their armchair to give a lecture about the terms liberal vs. leftist, or is trying to make "blue maga" happen, it's possible it is an instance of this. If they claim they are a Communist, it likely is.)
I think on the right, it's much more the case to see this kind of crap. Lots of "burn it all down" energy as if that would really benefit anyone.
LOL, when you think this iteration of the GOP is not extreme enough, you might be an asshole.
Hasn't the GOP been exclusively assholes for many decades already ?
They're already out in the open Nazis, how much further right can the Paedo Party get?
Oh, they can go quite a bit further. We haven't seen them outwardly doing the entire Hitler/Mussolini thing yet, but we're getting close. The rhetoric is similar, but the actions aren't quite as bad yet.
Oh I'd say Hegseth is about there
eh again, I know it's hip to say America now is Nazi Germany but it's not quite at that point yet. It's like late 20s but not even early 30s yet because there isn't the same level of widespread violence as there was in the early 30s between fascists, communists, and anarchists.
Again, I'd say the rhetoric is very much there, which is terrifying, but it's not quite as bad yet in actions. The fact that we can even have this type of conversation is terrifying too.
Warning: Fearmongering follows in this comment!
NVE groups like 764 and O9A are to the right of the Paedo Party. These dudes want to kill you or blackmail other people into killing you in horrific ways because they think it's cool/funny. They like to prey on children and the mentally ill since they're easier to manipulate than stable adults. They're so detestable, in fact, that even the likes of Trump and white supremacist whackos want these far right groups wiped out.
We're doomed if someone in a NVE group gets some actual power, but fortunately, these guys lack the means to go mainstream.
To be fair they’re probably just Peter Theil experiments because he’s the modern day Arasaka CEO
Hot take: these guys are just Republicans
Honestly, I think these guys would view the current GOP as too soft for not starting the Iran War with a nuclear strike on Tehran. No doubt they were happy when Hegseth blew up that school, and were eager for more.
They might be proper Republicans in the future, though. It all depends on how the GOP moves on from Trump.
Yeah they definitely do, I mean fucking Nick Fuentes’ loser ass thought so. These guys absolutely think the same about Nick Fuentes lolz. Hell, I bet the reason they’re targeted by Trump’s DoJ is because they’re going after Republicans for their failures lol.
764 and O9A
What the fuck. I like following these groups because I want to know who the fucknuggets are I need to watch out for. This is the first I have heard of these people.
Considering how evil these people are, I don't know how they wound up being so unknown. Maybe the info is generally kept out of search algorithms so someone doesn't try to make yet another copycat organization? Or maybe it's because these kinds of groups are the most clear-cut case for why society needs to be made better for the common man - these groups tend to recruit from desperate and depressed people, so making a better society will starve the beast.
They haven't already? Could have fooled me.
I hope they do, because I think they are overestimating how many people are ok with everything that has happened
And Wired clicks the Overton window further right. It's not that you can't get more extreme, it's that it's a distinction without much of a difference and they're reassigning far right to something outside of the party with concentration camps, campaigns of dehumanization against racial and sexual groups, ideological purges of the military, international fascist alignment, and a guy who literally did a Nazi salute on stage.
That's far right extremism, whether or not there are a few nutcases beyond it. Pretending this is somehow the version of conservativism being threatened by the far right is just normalizing it.
Far-right activist and pardoned January 6 rioter Jake Lang, however, is planning an event in DC on January 3. It is unclear how many people are planning to attend, but one of the Christian nationalist pastors listed by Lang as an official speaker has said he won’t be speaking.
Lang, who spent last weekend disrupting a cat convention that he thought was a furry convention, did not respond to a request for comment.
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He just got pulled off a plane in Texas and arrested on an active warrant so we'll see how that goes.
EDIT this might be a lie I can't find any news corroborating this.
Can't find any news either. Be nice if it's true, though. heh
My "source" was a twitter video (sent by a friend who still uses twitter unfortunately) of him seemingly deplaning by himself, with the written context being what I described. Could be true and news just hasn't caught up...or it could be footage from an old arrest (he has several), or they could just be making shit up completely.
Imagine being at that cat convention and being so confused as to why someone is trying to disrupt it?
Also, I don't get why the wingers seem to be so fixated on furries. What even the fuck?
What other hobbies will they get verklempt over next? Ham radio operators? The maker scene? People who knit?
Also, I don’t get why the wingers seem to be so fixated on furries.
They're obsessed with a narrow band of approved behaviors and anything outside of that is evil. They see it as sexual deviancy and a moral stain on society, and everyone promoting it is obviously the enemy.
Right but they don't seem to have this focus (any more?) on things like S&M?
Nick Fuentes urged his supporters on X to “get out and vote Democrat today.” The post racked up over 12 million views
So he claimed responsibility for the Blue Wave? Because X users (including bots and non-US users) had his post jammed into their algorithm? Says it all I think, they’re so sure they have all the answers even when they’re on another planet.
I’m pretty sure what we have now is as extreme as it gets. They literally have concentration camps.
This is literally what happened before to get us to Trump, and it's on track to keep happening.
Bush was a violent extremist who started multiple wars of aggression and had people tortured in all sorts of horrific ways (some of whom were later proven innocent). But he also occasionally said not to be openly racist against all Muslims. The failure of the "War on Terror" was because of the aggression, and because of the wanton violence, torture, and disrespect for basic rights. But, the lesson people, especially on the right, took from that, was that the Bush administration lost because it was too humane, too "woke."
So they went to Trump, who was openly racist, who appointed Hegseth, who, well, is Hegseth. And he still lost in Iran. Rather than questioning whether their ideas about the effectiveness of cruelty, the right concludes that the problem was that they still weren't cruel enough.
Go back even further, it's the same shit with Vietnam. Dropping agent orange all over the place, slaughtering villages, just extreme cruelty, but the propaganda was about "nation-building," about "liberating" the Vietnamese. So when they lost, they blamed the equivalent of "woke," they blamed the limp-wristed politicians who supposedly tied the hands of the military.
When President Fuentes gets his ass kicked invading wherever the fuck, the right will just say he was too woke and will vote for someone who changed his name to Adolf Hitler. It'll continue until they start a nuclear war and end all life on earth.
Fundamentally, because right-wing ideas are just wrong and don't produce the results they expect them to, the people who hold them will grow increasingly frustrated and increasingly extreme, thinking they just need to go further and try harder, never questioning the approach itself.
It's socialism or barbarism. The "middle road" of aggression and interventionism while pretending to be nice, that's going to keep failing and the more it fails the more it fuels their narratives. We need to put an end to the aggression altogether, to put an end to foreign wars. We need to ditch the notion that our acts of violence and terror were ever driven by some kind of "benevolence," and instead denounce them for the brazen acts of imperialist plundering that they are. No war in Iran, no aid to Israel. Full stop.
is this 2016?
1926, Germany.
Haha, das ist urkomisch. Wenn das hier das Deutschland der 1920er-Jahre wäre, würden wir Deutsch sprechen – tun wir aber nicht, wir sprechen Englisch. Warte mal, tun wir das etwa nicht? Ach du Scheiße! Ach du Scheiße, du hast recht! Oh, fick mich doch, wie kommen wir zurück nach … na ja … bloß nicht nach 2026, suchen wir uns ein anderes Jahr aus. Vielleicht 1990, und wir machen dieses Mal einiges anders?

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