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[–] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

The thing that worries about these people is that I don't think we're really sure how many of them are out there and how far they can be radicalized and how far they'll go.

I don't intend to fearmonger, but honestly state the above. But with the above comes the flip side: While some of these types of people have gone on murdering sprees, there haven't been many, and it's usually been that they've selected some target and some of them succeed and some of them don't.

The thing that actually worries me is that I think we may face an uptick in the rhetoric that drives some of these people to go out and shoot people; we may see groups like Proud Boys decide to go shooting instead of intimidating.

I don't know. I'm not saying these things are going to happen, but it's the thing that worries me most about that background level of nationalism and the people building up incel communities.

That said, this election gives me some hope. For a good while, I didn't really see a path out of fascism, but if we can get enough actual progressives in power and force the establishment Dems to be more progressive, get enough going to give us a blue President in two years with enough in Congress to get shit done AND if there's enough progressives in there to help real change happen, we might be able to show the American people that government isn't broken - just Republicans and establishment Democrats are. IF, and by damn that is just about the hugest if of all time, IF we can pull that off, maybe we can pull back from the brink of fascism - and by brink I mean more like we're already over the edge hanging on to a comically small tree root hanging out the side of the cliff with our fingers losing strength.

I'm hopeful that this low-level rumbling of fascist nationalist racist bullshit will remain low-level.

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  • [–] 2 points 21 hours ago

    I feel ya. Yeah, it's a concern. I wish there were an easy answer. Some cartoonishly simple solution, like just surrender and let go of that tree root and then suddenly a giant bird swoops in and catches you and carries you to a nice safe deus ex machina.

    But this isn't a fiction novel, and real life doesn't work like that. There are despicable, hateful people in the world and in this country, and those people are exploiting otherwise legitimate grievances to twist the minds of large numbers of vulnerable people. They lie to them about some overly simplistic solutions to complex problems, that they have no intention of following through with, and then once they win their trust and have them thoroughly deluded with an entire system of "alternative facts," then they twist their minds further through fear-mongering used to stoke hatreds, and empty flattery used to inflate egos. It's a dangerous concoction and some truly vile people have seen that and used it as an evil means to evil ends.

    I don't have a simple solution to that. It'll likely take generations to heal, if we can even start the healing process. If we can't even do that, it's only going to get worse. Unspannable chasms have likely already grown.

    Some victims of mass manipulation may be redeemable if we break the hypnosis, but I don't have a clue what kind of proportion that is. Is it a vanishingly small percentage, or the vast majority of their base? I don't know, and I won't pretend to. I won't pretend to have any better answers than this. I wish I did.

    For now let's just hold onto a little hope and see how the next session of congress goes. See if our political leaders will provide oversight and accountability. Fix what's broken and use our systems to address the underlying problems at their roots.

    If they can't or won't do that, then I don't know what to tell you. Stock up on whatever you might need to protect yourself and your loved ones? Build trust and community among your neighbors, if you live in an area where that's possible. The rest is what everyone needs to decide for themselves...

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