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House votes to effectively end the impeachment effort against Pete Hegseth (www.npr.org)
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[–] 8 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

The currently Republican House? The one that won't exist in January? Am I missing something?

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  • [–] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

    Yeah the vote was 211-204 with 11 Dems missing, thus handing the Republicans a propaganda win on a silver platter:

    Edit: To be fair, the time slot was short, which Rs had in their hands as they chose a priviledged resolution.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    It buys him time, sure, but is that it?

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  • [–] 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child)

    Rs probably triggered the vote to show the public: See, Dems might have won some elections, but impeachment still fails! So nothing to see here! On stupid people that are mostly ill-informed (not knowing that it takes till next jear for the majority to shift) this works well.

    Edit: Also the time slot was short, which Rs had in their hands as they chose a priviledged resolution.

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  • [–] 3 points 13 hours ago

    While my faith in the average voter truly has no bottom, this false narrative will only last 2 months until we find out whether the Dems will actually keep to their word.

    Until then, many and much more disastrous things could be done by Repubs than hold a lame-duck session vote.

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    • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago*

    Even if they had managed to get him impeached in the house, they would not have had the votes in the Senate to convict him. like with the previous two Trump impeachment, this only would’ve emboldened him.

    In a way, it’s gonna be much worse for him when they impeach him in January.

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    [–] 26 points 13 hours ago (17 children)

    can they impeach him again once the left takes over

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  • [–] 22 points 12 hours ago (13 children)

    Sure. Conviction ain't gonna happen, though. Enough conservative Dems will vote against it and give the "now is not the time, we need to move forward and heal" bullshit

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  • [–] 24 points 11 hours ago (11 children)

    I fucking hate that bullshit, one of the most important things abiut moving forward and healing is dealing with what has happened.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 hours ago (10 children)

    Punishment can be counterproductive... in an environment of reconciliation where there is a consensus that the wrongdoing happened and was wrong and shouldn't be repeated.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Oh definately, there are plenty of times when it far lore productive to help rather than punnishing.

    One of rhe best examples was after WWII, the US and the allies vould have crushed Germany, but they recognized that they would rather have Germany as a strong ally in Europe and helped west Germany move forward after the war.

    Was this decision perfect? No, there were plenty of war criminals that escaped punishement.

    Was this decision good? Yes, I believe so, Germany was rehabilitated and is now a close ally to the US and Europe.

    The stituation here is different, Hegseth and the other MAGA guys will not conceede reason and won't cooperate honestly, in these cases some people needs to be made an example of, and Hegseth is an excellent candidate.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

    “counterproductive” if the goal is to continue the wrongdoing.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

    Nope, this is one of the principles of truth and reconciliation. It's predicated on the idea that all parties want to move on from the wrongdoing, rather than one or more wishing to continue it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago* (5 children)

    not punishing those doing war crimes is not “moving on.” it’s allowing it to continue.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

    I see you're doing your best not to understand and congratulate yourself on your success.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (3 children)

    what do we gain by their promising during an election cycle that which they never intend to do? how does not punishing literal criminals help?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (2 children)

    The prerequisites for truth and reconciliation are not met in the US at the moment, as I made clear, so that's not what I am talking about.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child)

    why would you think all parties want to move forward from the wrongdoing? and how do you think they want to implement that movement, and why are you ok with them not going after criminals?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    why would you think all parties want to move forward from the wrongdoing?

    I didn't make this claim about any specific situation. Do you want to know about a situation where this has been the case, or did you misunderstand me?

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    • [–] 51 points 13 hours ago (12 children)

    I've been seeing some comments about the 11 Dem no votes, but apparently that's because the GOP ended voting early. Apparently the usual practice is to hold the vote open for a while to let stragglers make their way to the chamber to actually get their votes in.

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  • [–] 39 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (4 children)

    Most blamed traffic delays, but as another legislator put it

    “We knew that this vote was coming, so people should have gotten their raggedy selves up these steps to vote,” Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove (D-California) told reporters. “There is no reason why we should have lost this vote because of attendance issues.”

    Others were in their home state, had a personal emergency, or couldn't travel until medically cleared.

    The vote was held at 18:02 EST. Democrats who didn't vote

    • Brownley D-CA
    • Correa D-CA
    • Gillen D-NY
    • Horsford D-NV
    • Jackson D-IL
    • Pelosi D-CA
    • Pettersen D-CO
    • Stansbury D-NM
    • Stevens D-MI
    • Strickland D-WA
    • Wilson D-FL
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  • [–] 18 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    Brownley D-CA

    Did not run for reelection. Retired.

    Correa D-CA

    Won reelection.

    Gillen D-NY

    Won reelection.

    Horsford D-NV

    Won reelection.

    Jackson D-IL

    Won reelection.

    Pelosi D-CA

    Did not run for reelection. Retired.

    Pettersen D-CO

    Won reelection.

    Stansbury D-NM

    Won reelection.

    Stevens D-MI

    Did not run for reelection. Retired. (For clarification, ran and lost again El-Sayed, endorsing his opponent,)

    Strickland D-WA

    Won reelection.

    Wilson D-FL

    Did not run for reelection. Retired.

    I'm going to give those outgoing representatives a pass, which is generous and undeserving because people are elected until they've finished their term, not months before. But everyone else, who were just reelected, the fuck? You had a job to do and you just won an election, do your job.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 hours ago

    I'd only give the ones with an emergency or medical excuse a pass.

    Stevens is firmly pro-Israel, whose government dragged the US into the unauthorized war. Their Israel lobby funding might be worth checking. However, plenty of Democrats with significant funding nonetheless likely attended to vote, because Hegseth is that awful.

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  • [–] 22 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

    That kind of shenanigans always makes me think that the mental capacity of many in government peaks at age 6.

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    • [–] 14 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

    Here's the vote table: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2026317

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  • [–] 6 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

    So why would one be not-voting? Did they not go in for the vote? Am I incorrect in assuming that if the Dems that were not-voting did vote it would have made a difference?

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  • [–] 14 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    At least one was stuck in traffic caused by an accident.

    https://bsky.app/profile/repstansbury.bsky.social/post/3mzyp554utk2e

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  • [–] 10 points 11 hours ago

    When she reached the chamber the vote had just gaveled out. She immediately filed a report of her vote of “NO” to the motion meant to kill the impeachment articles and refer them to the Judiciary Committee, as documented in the Congressional Record.

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    • [–] 22 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

    Great job. Pat yourselves on the back. Justice is served. Roll credits.

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  • [–] 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    Also, Massie was full of shit when he said he had the votes. What a dork.

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    • [–] 19 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

    Wait, isn't the new Congress sworn in in January? Who expected different result here?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    It was a last middle finger from Massie on his way out.

    I'm actually floored that Hegseth hasn't resigned yet. He is toast in January and at that point, the Democrats have to approve the next pick.

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    • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago

    I feel sorry for the AP History students in 10 years...

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    [–] 1 point 8 hours ago

    heck of a job, Hakim

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    [–] 1 point 13 hours ago

    lol

    lmao even

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    [–] -2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    Well, there ya go. There wasn’t anyone coming to our rescue before, and there isn’t now.

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  • [–] 16 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    this was never a real thing. It was a last ditch effort by a republican to shed his fascist affiliations before the blue wave congress takes over in January.

    Anyone who thought otherwise doesn't know how any of this works.

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    • [–] -5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

    This kind of shit happens all the time.. Whoever doesn't believe that they are all playing together is more of a dummy than me

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