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[–] 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Said not in an informational way, but as a "mind your own business, get a grip and fix your own problems before you go around pointing fingers"

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Imo it doesn't matter in what way he said it, it's a baller move either way. No other country leader has mentioned this when having to deal with the annoying orange even though they should have. Even when the NATO summit was going on everyone was just brown nosing the whole damn time, ridiculous.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I think at least in part other countries can pretend it never happen because they didn't have to deal with their own wanna be facist at home with ties to Trump. Brazil does not have the luxury to do so when not only Bolsonaro happened but it is still being a problem and Trump is actively trying to influence it in Brazil.

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  • [+] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lula is completely right. Also, most Braziliand remember too well eat it is to live under a dictatorship and have no intentions of going back to one.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Brazil has experience with dictatorship so they known how to deal with it. America is yet to have a fully fledged one. But speaking of which, the Brazilian dictatorship in the 1970-80's was sponsored by the CIA. Manufactured dictatorship is coming home to roost.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    You have a point. I guess Brazil got lucky that the judges who prosecuted Lula and the Worker's Party turned out to be partial and have ulterior motive, after finding out that these judges were bribed by the right. Those judges were removed. The new judges seem to be doing the correct thing by prosecuting Bolsonaro.

    That being said, the US could still learn from Brazil. The US Supreme Court judges--especially Clarence Tomas-- were revealed to be corrupt, but what happened? Nothing. If those judges are in Brazil, they would have immediately been removed. In this regard, Brazil is still doing better than US in combatting authoritarianism.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    A lot of very fine people 🫲🍊🫱

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But if he were on trial in Brazil, who would be threatening Brazil with a trade war for said trial?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but Americans have made it abundantly clear that we don't have what it takes to uphold our own Constitution.

    Which means it's a completely useless piece of paper and we're going to collapse into authoritarianism.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You know you’re fucked when Brazil is dunking on you

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This kind of rhetoric is exactly why countries get this inflated view of themselves and get surprised when they elect somebody like Trump.

    Your comment implies Brazil is somehow a bad country so "if even Brazil is dunking on you, you know you're bad!" but Brazil is the world's 8th economy, they have a robust electronic voting system that was audited many times and works fantastically well, they have a digital payments system that works instantly and isn't tied to any corporation, they have the largest biomass and clean water reserves in the world, public healthcare, public universities that actually publish the most research in the entire country (out-competing all private institutions by a huge margin) and many more examples.

    They're not perfect... but not even Switzerland is perfect. When you feed this world view of "even Brazil" you become deeply blind to your own monumental issues.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    George Conway's wife is partially responsible for getting Trump elected the first time. I appreciate what Lula said but not who posted it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yeah right, Bolsonaro did way worse and he is free

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh yeah? What did Bolsonaro do that was worse than Trump?

    (That wasn't a loaded question -- I sincirely want to know.)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Bolsonaro was president during covid and took many actions to avoid social distancing, vaccines development and masks usage. Even after it was clear that it was a global deadly pandemic, he tried to say it was nothing serious and that people shouldn't worry about it. He lost 3 (iirc) health ministers during the process. Trump denied at first, but changed his line of action and for sure killed much less people than Bolsonaro

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Fucking stop with the bullshit messaging that doing a Jan 6 is bad.

    Doing a Jan 6 for the reasons it was done is bad, and if you want your country back, you’re going to have to do much more than a Jan 6.

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  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    “We can’t fight back because then the Nazis will take the opportunity to punish us harder” has got to be in my top 5 cowardly thought-stopping bullshit comments.

    You might also have gone with:

    “It’s not as EASY as you seem to think”

    “Yeah, well what have YOU done??”

    “Did you not see the VERY effective and not-at-all-a-huge-joke No Kings protests a month ago?”

    “Keyboard warrior!”

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think people are tired of hearing comments from Americans that appear to make excuses for inaction.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Jan 6 is characterized as a bunch of dumbfucks attempting to violently stop the peaceful transition of power after a legitimate election because they listened to the lies of a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.

    So yes, a Jan 6 is bad.

    Is overturning an actually corrupt/authoritarian government a bad thing? Hell no. But that's not what Jan 6 was.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Idk why you're getting downvoted. This is unironnically Lemmy's take. Violence is okay as long as it's Your Team© and not Enemy Team®.

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    [+] -16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ...being correct is not much fun... ...it brings no joy to any one... ...they never listen til' it's too late... .......

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)